DIY Betty Clone (Pinup vapors) ejuice recipe

#1 by Y2Rooster, Oct 21. 2015, 18:33

Prime example of how much sweetener premium vendors can use!

#2 by srgaudio, Nov 15. 2015, 00:54

troll post?

#3 by Y2Rooster, Nov 15. 2015, 05:37

Not at all.

#4 by srgaudio, Nov 16. 2015, 02:57

sorry, just ask because i see everyone going for such a dynamic flavor profile chasing betty. suprised that a single flavor would be close

#5 by Y2Rooster, Nov 16. 2015, 03:35

It's cool. It does seem that that the amount of sweetener is a source of controversy. I only tried it because a juice vender told us to. I wish some others would try it side by side the real stuff and comment. Give it a try if you can, mix a small batch. Its pretty much a shake and vape but, gets better within 3 days or so.

#6 by Jason, Nov 17. 2015, 04:24

It's spot on!

#7 by Jason, Nov 17. 2015, 04:26

Now I need a Sophia clone. Any help would be appreciated.

#8 by Y2Rooster, Nov 17. 2015, 04:59

Sophia is the only one I haven't tried. I did see a recipe somewhere tho. I'll see if I can find it. Trying to nail down Lana, the only one I still buy.

#9 by Y2Rooster, Nov 17. 2015, 05:08

Here it is. You may have seen this one already.

http://www.lediypourlesnuls.com/pinup-vapors-sophia/

#10 by Jason, Nov 17. 2015, 13:36

Thanks, I'll give that one a try. I never would have thought to use those favors. Sophia tastes almost like a strawberry margarita to me.

#11 by Jason, Nov 17. 2015, 13:45

FYI, there's a Lana recipe on that site as well in case you haven't seen it.

#12 by Y2Rooster, Nov 17. 2015, 14:48

Thanks, I'll go check it out. I need to order flavors and try out that Sophia recipe too.

#13 by KB CHILLIN, Nov 20. 2015, 06:17

Great stuff not to sweet great body and taste.PRIME DRIPPING JUICE.

#14 by Jason, Nov 24. 2015, 02:44

I mixed up the Sophia recipe and as a shake & vape it's good but tastes nothing like Sophia. So far it's got a heavy coconut flavor which is not present in Sophia. I think it needs some strawberry as well but I'm going to let it steep and see what happens. Either way it's a good flavor, just not Sophia.

#15 by Y2Rooster, Nov 24. 2015, 03:45

That's good to know. Heavy coconut is not my thing. I'm gonna go sample Sophia at the shop before I mix that recipe so I can compare. Steeping should tone the coconut taste down. Sometimes the clones lead to even better juices.

#16 by Jason, Nov 24. 2015, 04:23

Thinking I might play around with some strawberry lemonade in place of the coconut and creams. I'm thinking it might be a much simpler recipe. Based on the Betty Clone it's probably 2-3 flavors at most and heavy on the sweetener.

#17 by Y2Rooster, Nov 24. 2015, 05:43

I believe you're right because, Lana can't be more than 3 flavors or less.

#18 by Justin1220, Nov 29. 2015, 20:31

Does this really taste like Betty? It seems like such a complex flavor. I just figured there'd be more flavor a in the mix. Betty is one of my favorite juices and I'd really like to make this

#19 by Y2Rooster, Nov 29. 2015, 20:45

If you have the stuff, mix it up. You will be pleasantly surprised, I promise. Mix a small sample and report back lol

#20 by Justin1220, Nov 29. 2015, 21:07

I don't have the favors, that's why I'm asking lol. I didn't want to order the stuff to make it unless it's spot on. Have you done a side by side comparison yet?

#21 by Jason, Nov 29. 2015, 22:38

It's legit. I can't taste a difference.

#22 by Justin1220, Nov 29. 2015, 22:53

Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm going to try it

#23 by Y2Rooster, Nov 29. 2015, 23:00

Oh yeah, we even had it in a pinup bottle and let people use it without telling them. They were surprised when we told them it was not the real thing. Even the PG/VG ratio is the same. The only ones who question it are the ones who haven't tried it lol. Its worth ordering at least the 30ml bottle of Forest Fruit and 120ml's of TFA Sweetener. 300mls of juice with Sweetener left over for less than $20.

#24 by Justin1220, Nov 29. 2015, 23:06

Thank you so much for the help, I can't wait to try it

#25 by Y2Rooster, Nov 29. 2015, 23:08

No problem. Let us know how you like it.

#26 by Jason, Nov 30. 2015, 00:07

BTW, the coconut definitely leveled out on that Sophia recipe after a week. Still not close to the real thing but very good.

#27 by Justin1220, Nov 30. 2015, 00:28

Recommended steep time for Betty?

#28 by Jason, Nov 30. 2015, 00:30

Shake & Vape but better after 2-3 days steep

#29 by Justin1220, Nov 30. 2015, 01:02

Ok thanks

#30 by Y2Rooster, Nov 30. 2015, 01:03

I still need a flavor or 2 but, I'm gonna have to mix that one.

#31 by shmurgabur, Dec 1. 2015, 19:51

This recipe is pretty close. I feel like it's missing a little something. I mixed it on Sunday, and have been testing it daily. Very close though, good job! I'm looking forward to tweaking it and making it my own.

#32 by Y2Rooster, Dec 1. 2015, 21:59

Cool. Let us know what you come up with.

#33 by Justin1220, Dec 5. 2015, 02:52

This is it! I can't believe how simple this recipe is and it tastes spot on! Thank you so much!

#34 by Y2Rooster, Dec 5. 2015, 03:35

I thought you might like that. And it's so cheap to make.

#35 by Shanjier, Dec 10. 2015, 22:53

I made this as my first ejuice.. everyone loves it, some say its even better than original betty. I've made over 200mL in a week for several different people. Its 99.95% spot on; most cant tell the difference.

#36 by Zman, Dec 16. 2015, 02:10

I did 3.5 ml Forest, 2.75 sweetner, 7 drops of cap sweet strawberry and 7 drops of cap greek yogurt (sorry for the mixed measurements) and i think i nailed it. I always thought there was a hint of Greek yogurt and a stronger strawberry flavor to it, so i took a shot.

#37 by Walt_Jizzney, Dec 17. 2015, 18:55

Well I'll be damned. This is absolutely incredible.
After picking up the components and giving Forest Fruit a whiff, I smiled. I've been trying to make my own Betty clone since I began DIY, and the answer was elegant and beautiful right under my nose the whole time. Picked up 16oz of the forest mix strictly based on the comments section and I must say I am not disappointed in the least.

You nailed it, man. The massive amount of sweetener scared me when I saw it in my bottle by itself, but it definitely is how they use.

Tested side by side, they are indistinguishable. Blind taste tested with my friends, and their comments include, "Yeah, this is Betty. So what?". Once I told them I made it myself, they begged for some free juice. Ya know what? Tis the season my friends. Vaping this fantastic Betty clone by the fire. Almost brings a tear to my eye :']

Thank you Y2Rooster. Merry Christmas!

#38 by Y2Rooster, Dec 18. 2015, 00:12

The amount of sweetener freaked me out a little too. A premium vendor told us to try that much and it made the difference. Glad you like it as much as I do. With 16oz of FF you want be running out anytime soon! Lol. Trying to nail down some other flavors and will post when I get them down. Happy mixing;

#39 by Asi Julian, Jan 9. 2016, 05:49

damn good, but gunks up my coil so fast i need to rebuid everyday.
but its worth it, Includes in my ADV rotation

#40 by Atreyu, Jan 15. 2016, 21:27

Ok, i ordered everything to make this juice because betty is my absolute favorite. When i opened the Forest Fruit I, like everyone else, knew this was it. I made 120ml for my first batch and it seemed ok at first but something didn't seem quite right. After about 3 or 4 draws I get none of the flavor and it kind of just tastes like vegetable oil. I threw out that batch and tried again with just 30 ml at exact ratios above. Its a little bit better than the last batch but still does the same thing and it also seems very thin for a 75vg/25pg mix. Please someone help me. What problems may i be having?

#41 by Shanjier, Jan 15. 2016, 22:37

Be sure that the sucrose you are using is in vg and is only 5% otherwise it kills the flavor

#42 by Atreyu, Jan 15. 2016, 22:51

Ok the sucralose i got is from ecigexpress. I can't find any additional info on the label at all. ill try another batch with less sucralose.

#43 by Shanjier, Jan 16. 2016, 01:51

Theirs is 10% I bought a batch from there and called directly to find out. :) so if you made a 30ml batch make another 30ml batch without sucralose and mix together to make that sweetener 5%.
Their sweetener also seemed to have a bit of vanilla aftertaste. I prefer Nude nicotine sucralose.

#44 by LORD , Jan 16. 2016, 01:51

DEAD ON THE MONEY!!!! for what I can mix this for cost wise this it THEE REAL DEAL for me. Thanks to the person that posted the mix!!!

#45 by Justin1220, Jan 24. 2016, 19:07

@Shanjier do you find that mixing both 30ml batches helps stop the coil gunking? I find that the first one or two hits are great and then it just tastes burnt. My cotton gets disgusting after only a couple of hours. Your method sounds like it could make sense.

#46 by Shanjier, Jan 25. 2016, 23:29

It definitely helps, but at the end of the day throwing away 30ml and starting over only costs you about a $1 :)

#47 by CarrieVapeZ, Feb 4. 2016, 22:20

Thanks for sharing. I never had the original but this is good stuff.

#48 by Y2Rooster, Feb 4. 2016, 22:24

Glad you like it. Try the original if you get a chance and compare.

#49 by screwedup420, Feb 8. 2016, 21:56

If ecigexpress's sucralose is vg bass. How is the mix 25/75?
Also I have the ecigexpress sucralose can I mix that with the same amount of vg to get it to 5% and get double the amount of sucralose?

#50 by Y2Rooster, Feb 9. 2016, 13:24

Are you sure its VG based? I have never used their sweetener, only TFA's. TFA's is a 10% mix and it works fine for me. From what I'm hearing, you could mix your sweetener with equal parts of VG and cut it to 5%. After that just follow the recipe. You will need to add PG in order to reach 75/25 or try it as a max VG. I've just never had VG sweetener before.

#51 by screwedup420, Feb 9. 2016, 15:21

Oh. I was just going off post #41 and #43. From shanjier. Does anyone know what bass ecigexpress's sucralose is. And shanjier said "make sure it Is in vg". That would make the mix not 25/75. If it was in pg that would be perfect.

#52 by Y2Rooster, Feb 9. 2016, 15:37

Is it really thin? The tfa sweetener is like water

#53 by screwedup420, Feb 17. 2016, 13:18

Ecigexpress's sucralose is in pg. And cutting it in half with pg works well. This is a great mix. Thank you.

#54 by Y2Rooster, Feb 17. 2016, 13:34

Good to hear. I might have to pick up some of their sweetener now.

#55 by Superquig, Feb 21. 2016, 21:14

I just made 30ml of this. I let it steep for 2 days and it came out perfect. I personally think this clone is amazing. I couldn't tell much of a difference at all. Well done, sir.

#56 by VapeKDZ, Mar 7. 2016, 18:07

What would this recipe look like without any Nic added? use the same or would I have to change up the %s? Thanks

#57 by Shanjier, Mar 7. 2016, 19:26

Replace the nicotine qty with vg. So instead of 18.6 vg it would be 19.5 vg

#58 by VapeKDZ, Mar 7. 2016, 21:20

Shanjier Thanks alot! :D

#59 by screwedup420, Mar 21. 2016, 19:12

So I'm having a problem. This is a great flavor at first but after about a week or so it turns really yellow and the flavor changes. The bite from the forest fruit is gone and it kinda tastes like coconut. Any ideas on how to stop this?

#60 by Tonyisballin, Mar 24. 2016, 21:35

2% capella super sweet instead of the sweetener :)

#61 by bottomofthemap, Apr 18. 2016, 06:00

How did the super sweet @ 2% work out Tony? I'm thinking about making this for a friend.

#62 by Tonyisballin, Apr 18. 2016, 19:58

oh yeah, it's great at 12%FF and 2% SS

#63 by bottomofthemap, Apr 18. 2016, 20:08

Awesome. Thanks!

#64 by KDash, Apr 29. 2016, 05:27

Does anyone have problems burning through coils with this recipe?? My coils only last 3-4 days no matter whether I use Heracles,Crown or Kanger

#65 by Tonyisballin, Apr 29. 2016, 14:33

Oh with that much sweetner, i dont doubt it! If you look above I posted how I mix it using Cap Super Sweet, its WAY better on coils. Normal betty (and this clone) are AWFUL on coils and cotton, the super sweet version above is awesome. 12% forest fruit and 2-3% cap Super sweet

#66 by screwedup420, Apr 29. 2016, 14:55

I use a 10% sucralose and I use .5-.75 ml instead of 4.5ml in this recipe. I like it a lot.

#67 by KDash, Apr 29. 2016, 18:51

Excellent I will try that then... The real Pinup juice I was getting about 10 days out of a coil. Thank you

#68 by A.D.V., May 16. 2016, 06:15

word of caution: i mistakenly thought ecigexpress's "signature" brand sweetener (sucralose) was at the same concentration as TPA's and BAM! sweet anchovies! i almost threw up, and had to rebuild my complete rig just to be safe.
forest fruit seems to be a tangy starfruit flavor with maybe a little guava and reminds me of a Hi-C drink (maybe the green one with slimer from ghost busters)
will experiment and report back on the proper amount to use with signature brand sweetener.

#69 by Newt, Jun 9. 2016, 04:19

I am no expert, but I am using ecigexpress's signature sweetener for this at 12%, but I am going to try Tony's suggestion as this, and the original, wreck coils and cotton. I also added 4% of FW Sour to this and I am really digging it.

#70 by Ansem774, Jun 10. 2016, 20:39

I tried this recipe with forest fruit and FA "TPA" Sweetener and used the listed amounts! Being that I love betty so much and usually buy 30ml a week I had to find a cheaper route! This is my first DIY ejuice and I jumped on this instantly. Just made 60ml of this recipe and it is DEAD ON! I will be trying the alternative listed sweetener above by using Super Sweet by CAP but they didn't have any in stock so I'm looking elsewhere. Thanks for this share Y2Rooster! Its the best yet!

#71 by Y2Rooster, Jun 11. 2016, 00:30

Glad to see everyone making this their own. That's awesome.
Ansem774....welcome to DIY! So glad you're digging it.

#72 by Digitalrick, Jun 15. 2016, 05:06

This tastes exactly like Betty and fries coils exactly like Betty. I'm going to adapt with a different sweetener to see if my coil will last longer than a day. Thanks for the recipe!

#73 by Y2Rooster, Jun 15. 2016, 05:14

It is a coil destroyer for sure. Post back if you find a different sweetene combo that saves coils.

#74 by KDash, Jun 15. 2016, 16:55

I have been using troyisballin suggestions (#65) and that's been working great. Gettin 10 days easy out of a coil now. Thanks

#75 by Tonyisballin, Jun 16. 2016, 00:15

e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/537808/A+Better+Betty+Clone

#76 by Gazza, Jun 20. 2016, 05:48

Any recipe using a flavourart concentrate at 10% is an obvious piss take.

Just goes to show how ELR is being trolled with dud recipes

#77 by Tonyisballin, Jun 21. 2016, 05:58

This is probably the only FA flavor that actually needs to be pretty high to achieve the desired taste. If you go too low it has a funky taste to it. But I assume you also haven't mixed this particular recipe.

#78 by Y2Rooster, Jun 21. 2016, 13:30

This is not a dud at all. It was posted by demand and to show how much sweetener premium vendors put in juices. The beauty is, others like tonyisballin, adapted it to fit different palettes and save coils. That's what it's all about.

#79 by Koadog, Jun 22. 2016, 21:27

I am very new to the DIY juice making. Betty is my favorite flavor and I'm currently using a cloned house juice. Looking to save $$ by making my own. I wanted to know if a 50/50 PG-VG base will work just as well as VG only in the recipe? Will it perform or taste different?

#80 by Y2Rooster, Jun 23. 2016, 00:35

I have not tried it as a 50/50. I have a feeling the throat hit would be tremendous tho. Remember, the real Betty is a 75/25 VG/PG . Mixing a 50/50 you would probably need to adjust the percentages a bit. It would be less vapor and more upfront forest fruit for sure. I recommend the higher VG but, it wouldn't hurt to mix a small bottle and see if you like it as a 50/50. Let us know if you do. And welcome to DIY.

#81 by Newt, Jun 23. 2016, 01:30

I have tried at 60/40. Cut it back to about 7% Forrest Fruit and 8% Sweetener. Using the ratios for the max VG in a 60/40 or a 50/50 leaves a chemical taste as Forrest Fruit has a lot going on.

#82 by Y2Rooster, Jun 23. 2016, 02:16

Thanks for the info Newt. That's good to know.

#83 by rilla573, Jul 14. 2016, 03:47

I just ordered everything on the list to make this recipe as my first venture into DIY. I will report back with my assessment. I'm super stoked. I'm going to hold on to my last few mL of Betty to use as a comparison.

#84 by rilla573, Jul 17. 2016, 05:21

I just received my order from DIY Vapor Supply. Quick side note. I am a bonehead whom neglected to order VG. I got side tracked and forgot. The good people at DIY Vapor Supply included a 4 oz bottle with my shipment for free! And the shipment was here two days after i had ordered it!

Anyhow, I mixed up following the exact specifications and the exact products listed in Y2Rooster's recipe. As a shake and vape, it isn't spot on exactly like Betty but it is definitely tasty and close to it. I am going to steep it two or three days as recommended and report back with a side by side comparison. That being said I will still rate this recipe with five stars right now because, as it stand, it is delicious, easy to make, and it is a wonderful result for my first experience with DIY.

Thank you Y2Rooster.

#85 by Y2Rooster, Jul 17. 2016, 07:31

That's awesome rilla573! Better get lots of VG now. Lol

#86 by Phatrucker, Jul 26. 2016, 04:14

Please need some help! I have tried many ejuices but Betty is far and away my favorite. I would love to be able to make this my self so I don't have to spent $20 every 2 to 3 days. I have very basic knowledge of DIY, basically orderd PG/VG premixed with nicotine already in it then just added flavor. I really would like someone to add some links to the proper stuff to get to make this recipe, if anyone has a minute to do this I would greatly appreciate it as I haven't the first clue on what to get. I looked for the sweetener but it was evaporated milk, is that the right stuff? Sorry to bother you guys with this, I just happen to stumble upon this recipe while looking for Betty online. Thank you in advance. P.S. I need everything from the ground up.

#87 by Newt, Jul 26. 2016, 04:25

Trucker,

Welcome to the world of DIY.

So the big thing here is getting quality ingredients. Especially nicotine. There are a few trusted sources. Nude Nicotine, Liquid Barn. I personally use Liquid Barn. They also offer everything you need to get started, except flavor, for a reasonable price. Nicotine can literally make or break a flavor.

For flavor, there are plenty of websites. I use ecigexpress. They carry everything needed to make this recipe and pretty much everything you would want.

The sweetener is sucralose dissolved in either PG, VG, or a combo of the two. This can also be found on any reputable website that sells flavor.

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As for safety, anytime you handling liquid nicotine you need to be wearing gloves. Keep your nicotine cap closed tightly and out of reach of anyone unsuspecting. Store it in a cool, dry, dark place. Skin contact with the liquid nicotine can lead to an overdose or other health concerns, so just be smart.

I HIGHLY recommend heading over to www.e-cigarette-forum.com and doing some reading in the DIY section. There you can find more in depth explanations of everything.

Happy Mixing!

#88 by Newt, Jul 26. 2016, 04:26

* Liquid Barn does sell their own flavors, but not the specific brands needed for this recipe.

#89 by Phatrucker, Jul 26. 2016, 06:38

Awesome… thanks Newt!!! I will check that out right away.

#90 by Koadog, Aug 14. 2016, 03:32

I made the first batch from the original recipe....3.2.1....happy man here! spot on, but i'm blowing through coils. I use 100mg PG nicotine...can't tell a difference from the VG base it calls for. Max 3-4 days. I want to make this at a 12mg. Any suggestions which ratio to change?

#91 by Y2Rooster, Aug 14. 2016, 05:08

I would mix it the same way, just raise the Nic to 12%. Mix just a small batch and try it out. Adjust flavorings if needed. Maybe drop sweetener 3% and forest fruit 2% if it's too strong. Not too much to do about the coils. That sweetener is a coil destroyer. Glad you can save some dough now!

#92 by LouisGreubel, Aug 20. 2016, 02:37

So I've got to say. I work at a vape shop in St. Louis. We sell Betty. It's my go-to juice. I found this recipe with no DIY experience. I have vaped well over 1000mL of it by now and it is my absolute favorite juice. Not only do I like it better than the original Betty by now, but this recipe actually introduced me to DIY, for which I cannot thank you enough, Y2Rooster.
And by the by, I have a question - is there a Victoria recipe out there? She's the only one I haven't found!

#93 by Y2Rooster, Aug 20. 2016, 05:10

I haven't tried to clone Victoria yet and haven't seen any recipes for that one. I might need to put that on my list and also get back to work on Lana. I will let you know if I come up with something. Welcome to DIY! Glad this recipe opened the door to this great hobby!

#94 by hamist, Sep 2. 2016, 01:41

Hey, want to try this but not keen on the sweetner, could I use EM instead?

#95 by Ansem774, Sep 8. 2016, 01:40

Technically you can add ANY alternative to the juice. The sweetener is down purely to your preference. I don't use as much sweetener to help and there is also a super cap sweetener alternative that works wonders! The end of the day, you can put nothing but the PG/VG/NIC/FLAVOR, but the sweetener helps the bitterness and plain taste. :)

#96 by Vectïon, Sep 10. 2016, 19:31

Just mixed this up at 10-10 as the 15 sounded a little absurd (no offense to Y2Rooster)and it's still a little sweet for my liking (to be fair I never had Betty) I'm gonna try 5% next. Thanks Y2Rooster for the recipe!

#97 by Y2Rooster, Sep 10. 2016, 19:42

I've been mixing it at 5% lately. I like it. Can't take the 15 anymore. Lol

#98 by ksgray68, Sep 20. 2016, 02:58

HOLY SH&T!!!! Super good. I never tried the original, I modded it a little. I CANNOT believe that Betty is a single flavor juice!!!! Here is what I did with it. tjek.nu/r/77wR

#99 by Ninhalo5, Oct 18. 2016, 20:44

I've never tried Betty before but this vape is delicious. Super sweet and fruity. Turns coils black in a day, definitely a dripper juice. Can't get enough of this.

#100 by Solace71, Oct 29. 2016, 00:01

It's good. I was a bit nervous about the 10% flavour. Been looking for a new vape and kept coming back to this to try out. I used cap Sucra lose at 3% as it's the only sweetner I have. It's real tasty and leaves that lovely sweet lips I've been craving lately. Vaping it in my avocado and it's rockin. Thanks

#101 by Y2Rooster, Oct 30. 2016, 14:36

I'm glad everyone is still making this their own and finding a good vape. Solace71... I've been rocking your Queen's Cookie remix recipe for a while now. Love that stuff. Got a lot more I need to try. Thank you

#102 by MadTownMax, Nov 1. 2016, 20:41

I used the original recipe with TPA sweetener to make 30 ml. and it tasted great!

Of course this drained me of sucralose (15% - whoa!) so I decided to make my own sucralose from 99.9% pure (lab grade) powder.

I made another 120ml using the home-made 10% sucralose and the liquid lacked flavor as well as the "sweet lips" effect I loved from the first batch that used TPA sweetener. Totally different! I could still get a hint of the mixed fruit and sweetness, but not the full-flavor deliciousness of the original that had me closing my eyes and licking my lips in sweet surrender to berry nirvana.

Then I read that TPA sweetener is actually 5% EM and 5% sucralose ( thanks DIYorDIE!) - so I tried using 1/2 10% sucralose and 1/2 10% Ethyl Maltol- and it was good -but there was still something missing ... the flavor was better but the "sweet lips" was still missing....

H20 - Water!!! reading the link below describes that TPA sweetener is also about 1/2PG and 1/2 water - so I added 6.75% of distilled H20 (1/2 of 90%) and boom - there it is - sweet, sugary lips!!!

so - for an exact replicate you will need 10% sucralose at 7.5%, 10% EM at 7.5% and then 6.75% of DI H20. Mixing MAX VG will yield a mix of 68% VG.

here is the link for reference - not exactly definitive; but wanted to share given my experience with this specific recipe: http://juic.org/flavors/sweeteners/tfa-sweetener/

#103 by Y2Rooster, Nov 2. 2016, 02:49

MadTownMax, that's some good work! TFA''s sweetener is really thin. Now we know why. Thanks for posting!

#104 by Ned5021, Nov 15. 2016, 12:17

@MadTownMax so if I were to make a TFA Sweetener "clone" how would I go about that? How many grams of Sucralose/EM if I need the end product to be 100ml of sweetener. Hope you see this. Thank you for your work!

#105 by Ned5021, Nov 15. 2016, 12:52

Ok so after thinking about it for a bit I answered my own question.

Somebody please confirm: since TFA sweetener is half water/half PG, both of which have a gravity of 1g/ml (PG is a tiny bit more), we can treat the % of pure powdered EM/Sucralose as ml% (or treat the PG/H2O as grams, depending on how you look at it).

So, for a 30ml TFA sweetener clone (5%/5% EM/Sucralose) it would be:

EM powder at 5% --> 1.5 grams
Sucralose powder at 5% -->1.5 grams
Distilled water at 45% (half of what's left of the 30ml) --> 13.5ml
PG at 45% --> 13.5ml

Is this correct? If it is, we can, also, make a Capella Supersweet clone as well by simply doubling the amount of EM/Sucralose and reducing the PG/H2O. Since Supersweet is 10%/10% EM/Sucralose, from what I hear.

#106 by MadTownMax, Nov 15. 2016, 14:46

They're both 5%. I'm doing the same now - just ordered powdered ethyl maltose and I'll make 5 grams EM and 5 grams sucralose in 100 ml of 50/50 propelyne glycol and distilled H2O.

Your calculations look correct.

Super sweet has some other stuff in it (I think) - OT so I'll leave it to your searching.

#107 by Ned5021, Nov 15. 2016, 15:22

Awesome thanks brother!

#108 by loumason, Nov 16. 2016, 01:30

maybe a silly question but here it goes.
If i had 10%EM and 10%sucralose from ecigexpress, Could i just mix them together and cut in half with Pg to get (TPA)? Since its 5/5. New to DIY. Thanks

#109 by MadTownMax, Nov 16. 2016, 02:12

You could combine 1-to-1 (do not dilute) to get the 5%/5% solution in PG. Apparently there is water in the TPA formula as well - but it is unclear how much there is and how big of an impact there would be by leaving that out - it might not make a difference. For me it seemed to give that "wet/sweet lips" effect - would be very interesting to know if that is true for others or if I'm just crazy...

#110 by loumason, Nov 17. 2016, 00:28

Cheers for that!

#111 by Shepherd, Dec 20. 2016, 07:06

I added the 7 drops of sweet strawberry that zman talked about (comment 36) and I say if you try his tweak I would go a little lighter on the sweetner or wait a bit longer for the strawberry to mix a bit better.

#112 by SKAG187, Jan 3. 2017, 18:20

Hi all
I really want to give this one a go, but I am trying to avoid sucralose at all costs I have (TFA) cotton candy to use, but how much should
i use? not sure if their sweetness is comparable in a 1:1 substitution

#113 by Ninhalo5, Jan 3. 2017, 18:43

Comparing Cotton candy to sucralose is like apples to oranges. It won't be the same recipe. But, I would try knocking the fruit down by 1/2 and adding the cotton candy to taste, Maybe 3%. You'll have a fruity cotton candy instead of a super sweet candied fruit. Either way It should still be tasty.

#114 by SKAG187, Jan 3. 2017, 18:45

just to be clear, I will be using the regulat TFA cotton candy, not the circus cotton candy (so, pretty much straight EM)

#115 by Ned5021, Jan 3. 2017, 19:20

I cut the sweetener to 10% and it came out just as good!

#116 by SKAG187, Jan 3. 2017, 21:47

so 10% & 10%?
sounds like a reasonable place to start

#117 by Ned5021, Jan 4. 2017, 05:17

Yep tastes just as good

#118 by Loser_Machine, Jan 6. 2017, 22:32

Is there anyone else seeing it as a cummy looking substance in color presteep? I suppose its due to a high sweetener content which is higly ixodized due to sugah, or am I tripping

#119 by SKAG187, Jan 6. 2017, 23:04

not sure mine is still cloudy from the first hot bath + shake like it owes me money

but that was only an hour or so ago

#120 by MadTownMax, Jan 6. 2017, 23:20

@Loser_Machine Nope - that is weird - sure you didn't get something in there? Mine have all been perfectly clear.

#121 by VancityDiy, Jan 10. 2017, 22:06

This is awesome, going to make a much bigger size after this 30ml bottle which will probably done in a day :D

Thank you for the awesome recipe.

#122 by Phatrucker, Jan 13. 2017, 04:57

This has been my ADV for months now. I make 240ml batches and it tastes the same immediately after mixed as it does after being steeped. I really don't believe this juice needs any steeping it truly is a shake and vape. Y2Rooster nailed this one.

#123 by Y2Rooster, Jan 13. 2017, 13:31

Glad you are all still enjoying! ! Keep mixing and adapting!!!

#124 by Ninhalo5, Jan 13. 2017, 22:58

@Loser_machine, might just be your flavoring, I get that anytime I use anything from Flavorah. Perfectly clear in the bottle then mix with vg and it turns a translucent white.

#125 by LazyVaper, Feb 20. 2017, 02:01

Does this recipe need this much sweetener? I just got forest fruit and divided I'd try this clone. I enjoy this recipe but immediately drop the sweetener to 10% but how would this be with only a couple %?

#126 by Loser_Machine, Feb 20. 2017, 02:06

Not quite ihalf it

#127 by Loser_Machine, Feb 28. 2017, 00:37

Or just do half sweetener half marshmallow trust me you use that much sweetener in a week your juice will smell of cat piss literally

#128 by LazyVaper, Feb 28. 2017, 01:53

I made it with only 2.5% I barely noticed a different between 10% sweetener and 2.5%. Maybe a little more tang to the fruit

#129 by JoshuaB, Mar 10. 2017, 23:28

I tried this with 10% forest fruit and 10% TPA Sweetener.
Shake and vape = NO!
Sweet lips = NO!

Don't even really taste any berries what so ever!

Steeping might help?

As far as shake n vape goes this scores: 0/5 for flavour (it's dead)

#130 by alamoudi.moh, Mar 14. 2017, 12:43

thanks for this, i tried it exactly the same except for the sweetener which i used ecigexpress.

i believe it is toooo sweet, at least for me, how can i bring it down? more VG? PG?

#131 by Loser_Machine, Mar 14. 2017, 16:20

Less sweetener, and aaa magic mask, smooth or Mts vape wizard could help cutout the bitterness if you drop the sweetener too much just be careful though because forest mix is definitely muted with them three if used heavily

#132 by Loser_Machine, Mar 14. 2017, 16:21

Or a Lil cotton candy, or even blue raspberry cotton candy can sweeten without giving it that sweet n low taste or making too sweet as well

#133 by Mmh1972 , May 11. 2017, 19:05

Tried this with 6.5% TFA Sweetener and wow it's pretty damn good son...thanks!

#134 by Brian_SFL, May 24. 2017, 13:53

this recipe rooted me on only vaping diy. Sucralose is a known carcinogen (causes cancer) yet the vape industry is flooded with the stuff. http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/splenda-found-have-possible-neurotoxic-properties-animal-study#_edn5

#135 by billyc, May 25. 2017, 18:38

lol i mixd up a little 10 mill bottle just to see and i have to say this is some good shit lmao i just made an extra 500 mill bottle for back up ..thanks for the recipe

#136 by MeekDiYQueen, Jun 9. 2017, 02:29

You sir just rocked my whole world

#137 by Y2Rooster, Jun 9. 2017, 02:55

Thank you guys, for trying it. Glad you like!

#138 by louiesquared, Jun 23. 2017, 21:11

I've never had the original so I cant compare but I like the flavor. I made it as is but I think I will try a new batch with about half the sweetener. It's just way too sweet.

#139 by Jason , Jul 27. 2017, 16:27

I mixed this side-by-side to the real Betty and it's 98% spot-on to the original, and it has the sweetness spot-on too. You will change your cotton a few times a day, but so would you on the original too! It's for sure a dripping juice and never a tank juice. There is a slight (very slight) difference that honestly isn't worth chasing down because it's just that close. I don't see sub-flavors or sweetener matching as closely. Y2 just saved us all lots of money! Great Job!

#140 by vjayz, Aug 13. 2017, 14:44

Taste good but way to sweet for my likes. Will try 3-5% sweetener next batch.
Thanks for sharing!

#141 by RBizzle, Sep 4. 2017, 15:12

I have a pg/vg/nicotine mix with 6mg..How do I calculate it for the Betty recipe..Since your recipe is from 100%...Thanks

#142 by Loser_Machine, Sep 4. 2017, 17:04

@RBizzle is there a better way to contact you I. E. Messenger to explain the way to do it?

#143 by Loser_Machine, Sep 4. 2017, 17:07

Top right you'll see a blue wrench box at top of page click that then adapt. Then change your nicotine level to a 6mg instead of 100.but I hope you don't vape a 6 because you'll need to add vg and flavoring. a 6mg nic base of pg/vg/ or whatever your base is would have to be used at 100% to obtain a 6 nic lvl

#144 by Loser_Machine, Sep 4. 2017, 17:07

Top right you'll see a blue wrench box at top of page click that then adapt. Then change your nicotine level to a 6mg instead of 100.but I hope you don't vape a 6 because you'll need to add vg and flavoring. a 6mg nic base of pg/vg/ or whatever your base is would have to be used at 100% to obtain a 6 nic lvl

#145 by RBizzle, Sep 4. 2017, 19:37

Thanks for your reply..my email..Rbcisum@gmail.com..I tried adapt but I still have issues so email would be appreciated..Thanks again

#146 by RBizzle, Sep 9. 2017, 14:55

I found a calculator that works for me & The recipe is great..Thanks

#147 by tbt127, Nov 4. 2017, 15:12

Has anyone made this using Stevia instead of the TPA sucralose? I know it is better on coils, but I have only used it at small percentages (.25 or .50) so I am not sure what would be the equivalent of 15% TPA sweetener. Anyone have a clue?

#148 by MadTownMax, Nov 5. 2017, 16:17

Keep in mind that the sweetener shown is 50/50 sucralose and ethyl maltol so you are only replacing 1/2 of the sweetener if using stevia for sucralose and it is really the maltol that is giving the flavor in this recipe (a la cotton candy). Erythritol might be an option to replace sucralose as well - not sure how to replace the maltol though.

#149 by tbt127, Nov 8. 2017, 16:42

What if I do stevia to replace the sucralose and do a 50% stevia/ 50% EM...do you think that might work? I have never made this, nor have I had the original Betty, but I have a friend who raves about it. I want to make it, but I don't have time to re-wick my coils 3 times a day...Lol! After seeing all of the posts on this recipe, I just want to try it that much more! Thanks for the info @MadTownMax and thanks for the recipe @Y2Rooster!

#150 by MadTownMax, Nov 8. 2017, 19:58

Per average use rate of stevia (pyure) vs TPA sweetener use 1/2. I think that would work out to about 7.5% ethyl maltol, and 3.75% stevia - but you should start low and work you way up - you can already add more. Just the 7.5% maltol will stil kill your coils though....

#151 by n0tvegan, Mar 4. 2018, 11:30

15% Sweetener is just insane

#152 by cincinnatiking, Mar 5. 2018, 06:27

If you mix this you're a fuckin moron.

#153 by Gilmbento, Mar 15. 2018, 19:39

15% of Sweetener?!?! Really?

#154 by Loser_Machine, Mar 15. 2018, 20:00

I'd say 5 percent is what is used by alot of the companies that make their own version of this. But once it steeps it gets an almost litter box smell and taste to is with 10 percent ff. I usually try to sub out super sweet at about 2 percent then cotton candy and a little marshmallow to get that extra sweetness. With 10 percent forest fruit it's going to mute most accents of other flavours except the sweetness anyways and doesn't kill coils nearly as bad

#155 by shreduhsoreus, Apr 8. 2018, 13:39

There are still people who think this is a troll post?

cincinnatiking I suggest you mix it yourself before opening your mouth. Why do you think the legit Betty is known as a coil killer? SUCRALOSE.

#156 by n0tvegan, Apr 9. 2018, 12:59

Sucralose is a Coil killer at 2%, this is a people killer.

#157 by KK, Apr 13. 2018, 20:40

I'm completely new at the DIY but Betty is my all time favorite juice!!! I'm looking to buy what I need to mix this. I am a little confused on the PG/VG that keeps getting brought up.
on Bull City Flavors....I found:
4 oz sweetener TFA
225mL VG
30 mL Forest Fruit-FA

Now for the Nicotine...I found unflavored Nciotine E-Liquid Base from Myfreedomsmokes.com...but it comes in different options not i thought i was supposed to get the 100%VG....options offered are below:

100% PG
75PG/25VG
50PG/50VG
25PG/75VG
100VG

So with this, if I got the 100% VG like recipe says....where does the 75/25 ratio of PG/VG come from?? Sorry if this is a dumb question but like i said, this is all new to me. Thanks in advance!

#158 by Y2Rooster, Apr 14. 2018, 05:33

KK.... You will need 100% VG 100mg nicotene. With 25% flavor and sweetener which is PG based and 3% nicotine(VG ) and plain VG , that equals 75/25 VG/PG. The calculator on here will tell you how much of each you will need. If you need any more help ask away. Glad to help you anyway I can.

#159 by cincinnatiking, Apr 20. 2018, 22:26

This is officially the highest I've seen sweetener ever used, and the sad thing is it's probably close to whatever this person is trying to clone.

#160 by Ikarodia9, May 2. 2018, 21:50

15 percent? Sweetener? Why even mix it

#161 by Jazzeeeec, Oct 13. 2018, 18:12

Would this recipe work well with pod systems and nic salts? I'm a little concerned about the amount of sweetener and wonder if it would kill the coils instantly! Lol I'm not trying to go broke buying pods! Lol

#162 by Freddie, Oct 20. 2018, 04:52

Its works in pod for me.

SuperSweet(CAP) is the strongest sweeter around

2% is the upper most limit if using SuperSweet(CAP)

or 1.5% SuperSweet(CAP) and 3-5% Cotton Candy would get you close enough to Sweetener (Sucralose/Maltol) (TPA) 15.00

#163 by rdr546, Dec 17. 2018, 23:24

Great job! I just made 30 ML, with 10% Forest Fruit and 10% Flavor West Sweetener (which I think is the same recipe as TFA's sweetener).

It's uncanny how like Betty this is. I do find it sweet as hell, even at 10% instead of 15%. But the flavor is spot on, Amazing discovery! Thanks!

I think I'll try it with even lower percentages of sweetener. It'll be interesting to see how low I can go without losing that Betty-ness...

#164 by rdr546, Dec 17. 2018, 23:25

Forgot to give the recipe 5 stars in my previous comment...

#165 by Pete, Jul 8. 2019, 00:07

Not commenting to bash anyone's recipe, but I don't know what the hype is for Betty clones. I've tried this and have to say, I'm not a fan of whatever "Betty" is.... Just commenting for my own rating system

#166 by Clouds of Ice and Fire, Aug 18. 2019, 14:30

@Freddie You can't use Ethyl Maltol to compensate for Maltol. Maltol is much less potent in flavor and is a kind of "darker"/caramellic flavor.

Information provided to me about the sweetners/super-sweet is that:
CAP Super Sweet contains 20% sucralose
FW Sweetener contains 10% sucralose (other components unknown)
TFA Sweetner conatins 5% sucralose + 5% maltol

My personal max limit on a sub-ohm coil is 0.75% CAP S-sweet or 2% TFA Sweetener.

#167 by Jazzeeeec, Aug 27. 2019, 16:26

Has anyone found FA Forest Fruit to be harsh at 10%?? I mixed this up with 6mg freebase nic, 2% sweetener (there's no way I could use the recommended 15%) at 70/30 and it was harrrsh! Lol I love the flavour but not the burn. I also tried it with 25mg nic salts at 60/40, which for me normally has just a slight throat hit. But, not with this flavouring...again, it was harsh. Thoughts? Any help would be much appreciated 😊

#168 by dannyb784, Sep 1. 2019, 06:17

I don't know what went wrong with this one but after only a few weeks of steeping it's lost all of it's flavor. Initially it was close! Not spot on... But something about this mix maybe all that sweetener??? I don't know but it degraded to nothing.

#169 by TOC MichelleHughes, Oct 4. 2019, 07:28

I never want anyone to tell me I'm using too much sweetener again LOL I use 2% and you would have thought I killed someone

#170 by gordon308, Dec 31. 2019, 03:15

I used capella super sweet at 15%. Wow that's sweet. any recommendation on lowering that?

#171 by Ryne, May 28. 2020, 20:11

So scared to try this with that sweetener

#172 by Kushguy, Dec 10. 2020, 09:28

So tasty !