HELP! naked 100's very cool clone 

Gravatar - by A.D.V., Jul 31. 2017, 03:51

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i generally hide all my recipes but would like some help and suggestions from the community on this one! please post any comments or guidence in the comments section below.
much love,
-reasonably dan


i based the other ingredients on this recipe by cheftoworks called wildberry chill:
EM (1.0%) 0.75%
Menthol (10%) 0.75%
CAP blackberry 3.25%
CAP blueberry 4%
CAP raspberry 3%
Sucralose 1%
*everything was spot on but i feel CAP's harvest berry will replace the three berries with better results. harvest berry is mainly a smooth raspberry but with blackberry and blueberry undertones (maybe a bit of huckleberry too).

v1.20AUG17.
in version 1 i took the recipe above and subbed all the fruits for CP's harvest berry at 6% (anything higher and it can get purfumy)
TPA EM (10% PG) 0.75%
TPA menthol (10% PG) 0.5%
CAP super sweet 0.5%
CAP harvest berry 6%

results: shake and vape'd. a liitle too much harvest berry flavor, and too sweet (though i accidently put almost double the sweetener). dryer than i remember. but this is very close. some say there is some kind of mint-but i dont think so. its also possible they are using a better menthol or CP's cool mint. should try cactus, FA pear or FA black current to juicen up the mix. i do remember tasting apple so pear may be the one.

v2.12SEP17.bought another bottle today and am pretty sure CAP's cool mint is not in there as i taste no vanilla tictak. i think FW blueberry is still the best contender because there is no way they are using any HS flavors. in the original i taste a strong blueberry in front and throughout but with a light raspberry. dont think i actually taste blackberry so harvest berry is still my first choice-its sweet raspberry forward and light blackberry/huckleberry. i taste no lemon in the original.

CAP harvest berry 3%
TPA ethyl maltol (10%) 0.75%
FA arctic winter (menthol) 0.75%
CAP super sweet 0.5%
FW blueberry 3%

results: great blueberry flavor from FW blueberry, im really getting a ripe plump blueberry tatse thats just a little candied-too prominent for what we are going for here, dropping it to 2%. very satisfied with this mix but also the FA menthol needs to be increased maybe even doubled. sweeteness is on point but the raspberry and blackberry has taken a backseat to the blueberry-i am increasing it. if it does not give a vibrant raspberry falvor i should add a raspberry and still keep the harvest at 2-3% because i love the complexity and how it boosts the blueberry to where i can almost taste the seeds! testing beside the actual juice im realizing that there is mostly some sort of menthol-like flavoring and just a light berries flavor, all with minimal

v3.28SEP17
FW blue ice 6%
FW razzleberry 3%
FW blueberry 2%

results:
damn this is a great juice! a little too sweet to be "very cool" but is SO good, if it just had a bit more of that sour rasberry it would be a perfect recipe on its own. however the berries could be a bit lighter. in reguards to the clone it is way too sweet, just a bit less cold and does not have that slightly sour berry topnote. after two days the weird chalky koolada taste from the FW blue ice dies down almost completely and i am hopeful this flavor is in naked's version-however it may need to be at like 4% with some WS-23 because there is a hint of ment in it that is not in the original. really love the razzleberry but either its too strong or its another combination of flavors its really sweet. feel comfortable with the amount of blueberry but am not getting the boost that i did with the CAP harvest berry (but harvest berry is so sweet).

v4.5OCT17.
CAP raspberry v1 3%
FW blueberry 2%
WS-23 1.5%
FW blackberry 1% (should have added this later)

results: very sweet and slightly funky raspberry with hidden blueberry and too much WS-23 (at 1.5% its aggressively cold and has somewhat of a dry coolness, though this dry feeling could be coming from the blackberry or raspberry) luckily i get no off flavor from it and it seems very clean. i dont think CAP raspberry v1 is the droid were looking for-its sweet and a little almost creamy but that could also be coming from the blackberry. though i feel that there is a slight creamyness thats almost certainly from the raspberry since it contains DAAP this would make sense. testing beside the original there is actually more berry flavor total in this version and i certainly think the CAP rasp is not the one. smelling the original beside different strawberries the likely contenders are CAP sweet straw, TPA straw organic, and FW straw in that order. of all my recipes yet this one is the furthest-though it is pretty tasty.

v5.29OCT17. just to try and get that mid flavor thats missing.
FA black current 3% (maybe TPA grape juice but its a bit funkier)
FW blueberry 2%

results:
too much black current but i can see it working in this mix. definately works as a juicening agent and has somewhat of that strawberry greens type flavor to fill out the middle. it also is not super sweet (just a little). reccomend trying at 1.5%. should also try TFA grape juice. think FW blue ice should be at 4%.

v6.20NOV17.
FW blue ice 5% - then 6% - then 7% (raspberry comes out at 7%)
CAP blackberry 4% (has grape and mint notes)
FW blueberry 2% - then 3%

results: on a shake and vape i am so glad i found CAP blackberry! not only does it have a flat grapelike flavor in the mids of the original but it has a slight mint to it (a review said 4% was a good balance of fruit vs grape/mint notes and that it gets weird lower) but it totally took over this recipe at 4%-either both others need to be increased or this needs to be taken down. it also is absolutely not sweet, and even seems to drive the sweeteness of the other two flavors down to almost zero. added 1% more blue ice and 1% more blueberry. after increasing these i found the recipe so much more pleasant and closer! think CAP blackberry should be at 3.25%, FW blue ice 7%, and FW blueberry 3%. the recipe could also use some EM-not sure if circus (blue and lots of vanilla), blue rasp cotton candy (2% or below lots of burnt sugar and pretty dry), or regular EM will be best? it also will need WS-23 at 0.5-0.75%. after adding one more % FW blue ice making 7% i can clearly taste the raspberry at that percent but there is also a bitter chalkyness at 7 that was not there at 6. maybe 6.5 would work?

added just over 0.5% CAP blue raspberry cotton candy. very subtle at this amount but may steep in. like the boost to the blue raspberry i get. but tasting the original this needs to be increased to at least 0.75% and the recipe is missing a green strawberry note and some sweeteness maybe from fruit, but it probably has 0.5% FW sweetener in it.

i added 1.5% TFA strawberry and it seemed to completely miss the mark but then i added another 1.5% and it seems very close. reccomend 3% but still want to try FW's. something is fovibg a birnt sugar taste, it may be my coil but i am guessing its the CAP blue raspberry cotton candy as it carries that note.

v7.24NOV17.Kayu
FW blue ice 7%
CAP harvest berry 4%
TPA strawberry 4%
FW blueberry 3%
TPA lemon tpa .5% (had to sub FA lemon sicily at the same %)

results: steeped 1.5 days. great recipe, close to the original if you add koolada/WS-23 at 0.5%. the chalky taste of FW blue ice (from its koolada) dissipates in 1-2 days. it's slightly too blueberry forward, with a light tarness from the raspberry following. the strawberry is hidden just adding a berry-body to the middle. the FW blueberry is boosted by not only the harvest berry but by the blue ice (which is an ambiguous blue flavor with koolada). after tasting the original against this i think of the original as more of a strawberry recipe that has been bent with a raspberry to give it a more present top end without being very sweet. this strawberry is acented by a strong blueberry body. i still taste no blackberry in the original but CAP blackberry may be greening things up in there. i would say from the original that the menthol and therefore blue ice is at 5% and i definately taste EM. i also taste something upfront that tastes mildly soapybut just a tad. i dont think CAP harvesy berry is in there (at least at 4%) as it seems to water down the topend. i also think there is too much blueberry in this mix.

v8.
LA raspberry 5%
FW blackberry 3%
FW blueberry 1.5%
FA lemon sicily 0.5%

results: did not make notes right away but from what i remember it was not a good mix. the raspberry was overpowering it was harsh.


v9.just a test to see if its spearmint and strawberry thats front.
FW blue ice 3%
FW blueberry 2%
FW extream ice 0.25%
CAP harvest berry 1.5%
TFA strawberry ripe 1%
WS-23 0.5%
results: needs more blue ice, way less extream ice, and more strawberry though i think TFA strawberry ripe would work better as i taste maltol. needs more cooling to be like the original.

just tried as a shake and vape but think this would be closer:
v10. HAVE NOT MADE YET.
FW blue ice 6%
FW blueberry 4%
CAP harvest berry 1.5%
FW strawberry 5% (this could also be CAP juicy peach at like 0.5-1%, strawberry ripe 2%, or maybe FW blue raspberry, maybe TFA sweet raspberry)
EM 0.75%

v11.
CAP blackberry 2%
FW blueberry 2%
FA lemon sicily 0.5%
LA raspberry colorless 5%
FW strawberry 4%

results: with just 5% LA rasp and 2% FW blue, after just a shake and vape the blueberry takes over the recipe and the muddled top of the raspberry is present with just a bit of its sourness. still pretty good but that blueberry will have to be taken down unless it steeps out or the other ingredients tame it. with 4% FW straw it really adds a nice green strawberry to the top-middle and it also brings back the raspberry quite nicely! i may think about either increasing the raspberry by 1% or dropping the strawberry by 1% as the sourness of the raspberry is lost.

v12. after revisiting wayne’s MISTY recipe i subbed out INW shisha strawberry for TPA’s and immediately knew this was close to “very cool.” check out my flavor-note for FLV boysenberry. THAT’S WHAT WE WE’RE MISSING!!!

FLV boysenberry 3%
FW blueberry 2%

results: right now im only testing as a shake and vape but ive tested the FLV boysenberry at 3% and though the mix is a little too blueberry, it will settle down. boysenberry gives that exact raspberry and blackberry weve been killing ourselves to try and find! its candied without being too sweet and absolutely no floral or off flavors. 100% sure the main profile is FLV boysenberry and FW blueberry. if the blueberry doesnt steep out i will reduce it and it still may need TPA or FW strawberry. i will test wil FW blue ice but it just may be menthol+koolada/WS-23. not sure if lemon is needed but will test that too.



flavors try try:
FA pear, CAP juicy peach with raspberry sweet, FW strawberry, 2% FA black current, 1% FW blackberry, 1% CAP harvest berry, 1% TPA sweet raspberry, 0.75% WS-23, 1% FW razzleberry, 0.5% FW extream ice


FUN FACT: vaporgates blue smurf is just 4-5% CAP harvest berry and 0.5-1% CAP vanilla whipped cream.

FUN FACT: OSDIY blue raspberry slushy is said to be the best at 8% max but needs some help from other raspberries such as TFA sweet raspberry. Wonder Flavors sour blue raspberry candy may actually be the best though as it is not only sweet but actually tart! -best to use this at no more than 3%. LB blue raspberry is great at 6% max but is just a bit think and needs help as well.-this flavor really works well with CAP blue raspberry cotton candy 0.5-1% to round it out.

FUN FACT: CAP hibiscus at 0.75-1.5% is great for slushy mixes. look up mlnikon's lime slush recipe on ATF.



Comments
#1 by Kayu, Sep 4. 2017, 12:46
Lets see, been trying to clone this juice for months to get at least 60%, here are some of my notes maybe they will help out:
There is a blueberry on the back, the main profile seems to be something alike a blue raspberry, maybe harvest berry with blue raspberry, however what i am missing is that specific blueberry they use, its very subtle, but its the back and it makes the juice come alive when you exhale.
ITS not Fw blueberry, its not wild or extra or a combination(maybe it is but i havent found the exact one), tried capella blueberry seems to be way to weak it doesnt even register on the mix, unlike its brother very berry, this doesnt seems to have lemon, or at least the menthol just eats it.
#2 by A.D.V., Sep 11. 2017, 06:13
do you think it could be FLV boysenberry? its a blue raspberry candylike flavor. very prominent and the main profile at 3%. so you tested FW blueberry? darn i thought it would be that one because it tastes like a blueberry tootsie pop, or poptart filling. we should also try HS blueberry 0.5-1% for a light blueberry all the way up to 2-4% for a sour in your face blueberry (this flavor changes quite a bit at different %). i did not taste lemon either nor any sour (citric or maltic acid) so if it's in there it's probably FA lemon just to brighten. lastly, do you taste menthol? menthol has a specific flavor and i wonder if they are using some menthol varriant like ws-23, FA's actic winter, or CAP's cool mint as some people (not me) taste peppermint. let me know your thoughts!
#3 by Kayu, Sep 13. 2017, 07:17
Hmm, haven't tried FLV boysenberry, did try tpa one.... its horrible, the thing about fw blueberry is that it doesnt like to play well with other berries you might get a floral or almost chemical taste with it.
HS blueberry is another one i haven't tried i did order inw blueberry to see whats up, also got cap blackberry.
We have to look for flavor companies that came up when naked started releasing their flavors, so i would guess it should be one of the OG's not the new companies like flavorah, HS or RF, i am pretty sure there is no lemon on verry cool, as for the menthol part i am almost sure is a mix of a high koolada(1%ish) with arctic menthol .5% or menthol solution from tpa for like .25%, cool mint from cap is more like a desert mint it doesn't really go well with fruits it gives it a weird aftertaste, however as you stated before, very cool blueberry does have a some sort of tart taste but its for sure a candy blueberry base, very good blueberry note on that damn juice.
#4 by A.D.V., Sep 16. 2017, 06:08
youre reading my mind kayu. thanks for all your help and input on this. i too doubt they are using anything but CAP, TFA, or FW, and maybe, MAYBE, FA flavorings. however, i am loving the FW blueberry and think it hits the mark! at 3% it overpowered things just like you said, but i got no chemical or off notes. i am pretty certain this is the guy-its ripe, juicy, and very authentic in this senario (while not being not too candied like i thought it would be, and i get no earthy notes from it which is a godsent since that plagues most blueberries. i am dropping it to 2% and increasing the harvest berry. i have a good feeling about this next mix (by the way the v2 is bomb delicious just needs more menthol). for now since the actual bottle says menthol on it, i am working on the assumption that its not koolada or ws-23-at least until i start to increase the menthol till where i really "taste" it, and its still not as cold. would love to hear back!!! -reasonably dan
#5 by Kayu, Sep 16. 2017, 13:15
Hellou dan,
Hmmm for the menthols, the thing with arctic menthol is that it dies after like one or two weeks, its still there, however not as prominent like in the first days, for a refreshing hit i would recommend either 1.5% arctic + koolada .5% OR tpa menthol liquid .25% + 1% koolada, if these two doesnt work as expected then its recomended to start increasing them in .25% amounts

If you add more koolada than 1% it will heavily start changing the flavors and give a odd aftertaste, i hope this helps you out on finding the closest clone for very cool, i will be trying your v2 and v3 recipe with minor changes and let you know if i find anything.

If you are having a strong candied blueberry on v2 try lowering your EM or super sweet, what i found odd about naked is that i haven't tasted much of their products with sweetener or at least it doesn't seem like they have.
#6 by A.D.V., Sep 17. 2017, 07:29
i am totally sensing the diminishing FA arctic menthol. its amost non existent at one week-very disapointing. i may have a bad batch of koolada because I CANT STAND THE TASTE OF IT!!! even a drop in a 10ml ruins it for me! i will order more to test but in the meantime will use TPA menthol (10% dilution) at 1%.

i find my recipe is just a tad sweeter than theirs and i guess 0.5% CAP supersweet is a lot of sweetener. they are probably usinf FWsweetener according to jen jarvis but i cant seem to get my hands on it. DO NOt use TPA's sweetener as it has water in it and dilutes things-also tue rest of it is appearantly half EM, half sucralose.

we need to find a good raspberry. one of the major companies. thinking TPA's sweet raspberry, CAP taspberry or LA's (colorless). i dont think the harvest berry is going to give us enough raspberry. it totally could be a blue raspberry but i think of the major suppliers only Fw makes a decent one - and its only 4/5 rated. a blue raspberry is just a sweet candied raspberry flavor right??? maybe it's TPA's sweet raspberry and the other ingredients + EM turn it blue? i do not think it's TPA's blue raspberry as it has a chemical taste. i do not think its CAP's blue raz cotton candy because i dont get but a little EM from the original (however it might be worth a try).

for any added blackberry (though i barely taste any at all) its most likely Fw blackberry. since i am convinced they are using FW blueberry (not the natural one) this makes me think the raspberry will either be TPA or FW (theirs is not totally loved though. i suspect the blackberry is just from the harvest berry. and i still think harvest berry in there because it grounds the recipe so well and has very cool written all over it.

for my next order i will need:
FW blackberry
TPA sweet raspberry
CAP raspberry
FW raspberry
LA raspberry (colorless)
TPA koolada

would love to hear your thoughts on these flavors to cut down my order and if you wanted to order some blue raz that would be awesome!!!
#7 by Kayu, Sep 17. 2017, 14:55
For raspberries i have Manila(inw rasp), sweet raspberry(also the regular one), capellas and FA raspberry, i also have fw blackberry, tpa berry mix, fw razzleberry i think it was(or it was tpa?? would need to check). I also need to check my blue rasp, as for koolada you might be very sensitive to it so we need to find another way to increase the freshness without the menthol, as the flavor of menthol becomes very prominent, the only other blue raz i can think of, its FW blue rasp or berry mix from tpa.

Interesting fact about very cool design, if you google very cool naked on google and go to images you will see various design with different fruits(three of them), the latest one its, blackberry, rasp and blueberry,
SECOND one is raspberry, blackberry and blueberry with honey, The THIRD one is blue raspberry, blueberry and raspberry.

Hope this is helpful, if you want me to try something out just say it! ill mix it up in 60mls and leave it for a week or two to see if this works.
#8 by A.D.V., Sep 19. 2017, 06:52
check this out: i found FW blue ice that people say is koolada with a light blue raz taste-this could be both the reason they can change the picture to blue raz and the koolada they are using! i am going to buy it to test.

can you check and see if you have FW blue raspberry and if so whip up something close to:

FW blue raspberry 2%
FW blueberry 2%
FW blackberry 1%
TPA EM 0.75%
TPA koolada 1%
TPA menthol 0.25%
CAP supersweet 0.5% or some other brand at 1%

i think its likely the recipe is something like:
FW blue ice 5% (need to test this flavor)
FW blueberry 2%
TPA sweet raspberry 5% (need to test this with blue ice)
FW blackberry 1%
TPA EM 0.75%
TPA menthol 0.25%
FW sweetener 1%

i do not think the following flavors are in this:
TPA blue raz, TPA raspberry (original), CAP blue raz cotton candy, LB blue raz (even though this is great), OSDIY blue raz slushy (this is said to be the best), MF wild raz (but this is great too), FLV boyzenberry (good at 3%).
some are just bad and the rest are not going to be used by a commercial brand.

in my research i found that sometimes raz is mixed with sweetener and peach (like TPA juicy peach) to create a blue raspberry flavor. sometimes blueberry and even pomegranate are in there too.


#9 by Kayu, Sep 19. 2017, 09:07
Greetings!

Ill check it out once i do another mixing session.
As for testers i made this:
harvest berry 4%
blueberry wild(tpa) 2%
blueberry fw 2%
koolada 1%
EM .75%
super sweet .5%
menthol liquid(tpa) .25%

It has a very nice taste, however after 3 days the blueberry is still lost. so i would guess i could up the blueberry from fw to 3%-3.5 maybe and remove the blueberry wild as it makes things kinda weird.
#10 by A.D.V., Sep 22. 2017, 01:17
looks tasty. how was the harvest berry?
im kinda stuck until i can get some new raspberry flavors. will order soon man. thanks for your help on this! you can certainly do FW blueberry higher (it doesnt get weird until you start to get really high). i wonder if FW blackberry is boosting the blueberry flavor? you could put a few drops in your current mix and see if it brings it back out-you can also put a few drops more of FW blueberry to try it out. however the TPA blueberry wild may make it hard to taste whats going on.
#11 by Kayu, Sep 22. 2017, 05:31
The consensus is that it works, however its too sweet, tried very cool again today(original) its more sour or less sweet i would say instead of sour, so might up the blueberry a up add blackberry fw at 1% and remove super sweet, oh! about menthol, menthol tpa .25% aint gonna work need something else or maybe use .10%??
#12 by A.D.V., Sep 23. 2017, 06:21
i agree, vaping the original now, and it's more sour than sweet and even quite bitter (hopefully thats the blackberry bc it tastes like blackberry skin). lets remove any sweetener. the question is, what raspberry is a little on the sour side but still candied?

about the menthol, i would say its some other brand rather than them just using TPA at such a little %.
i will order FW blue ice this week and report back-however i have heard it is not sour so either the sour's coming from another raspberry, citric/maltic acid, or a sour lemon.
#13 by Kayu, Sep 23. 2017, 12:53
Any citric/maltic acid will surely kill the flavors even at low percentages it just mutes everything so i am sure it could be a raspberry or the blackberry for sure, actually after a couple of days as i am vaping it, the menthol just came a lil down, however not enough to be the naked menthol, i will try the same mix without the sweetener, adding the blackberry, removing blueberry wild, the smell of the liquid it is pretty similar to the naked bottles, the thing i am worried is the steeping time.
#14 by Kayu, Sep 23. 2017, 12:54
oh i missed the raspberry part....lemme check my raspberries and see which one hits the mark on more sour than candied.
#15 by A.D.V., Sep 25. 2017, 05:16
all of my mixes so far have been clear even at 3 weeks. i have ws-23 on the way.

what are your thoughts on FW blackberry? is it tart or bitter at all? can you taste the skin? i have it on the way too.

will be purchasing some raspberries this week. i found FW razleberry which is a sour raspberry/blackberry flavor-but some say it has a bottlecaps chalky flavor. am going to order that along with FW blue ice, TPA sweet rasp, CAP raspberry, and FW razleberry.

i will flavor test FW blue ice, FW razleberry, and also FW razleberry +CAP harvest berry together and report back.

update, FW's extream ice is a menthol flavor but has a spearmint flavor to it. please taste the original and see if you can taste a spearmint in it-im not sure, it does have kind of a spearmint gum type feel to it??? thoughts?
#16 by Kayu, Sep 25. 2017, 06:20
Greetings,

For my taste buds the juice only has a refreshing taste, not spearmint, as for the fw blackberry its too soon to tell but after 4-5 days the blackberry completely changes the flavor and misses the mark on my opinion, i am thinking razzleberry which i think i have or a different flavor like raspberry(i have cap v1 and v2, tfa, inw, fa) and raspberry sweet tfa.

I do remember raspberry sweet giving a very specific flavor to theother juices ive made, i do have extreme mint from fw, thats a another weird flavor after a week it becomes really sweet like a gum.

as you know ive been chasing this flavor for awhile as well so i have a plethora of berry concentrates from a lot of brands.
#17 by A.D.V., Sep 27. 2017, 05:00
do you think TFA raspberry sweet gave you a good specific flavor or bad one for this recipe?

i just got in FW blue ice and think its likely its in there. have not mixed it up yet but back-of-the-hand gives a pretty good blue raspberry (though not sour) a light bitter, and a lot of smooth cooling-not sure if this is menthol or koolada or another WS-testing is needed.
i also got FW razleberry so will be testing that, along with CAP rasp, TPA sweet rasp, FW blue rasp, FW blackberry, WS-23, and FW extream mint (probably not in there tastes like gum like you said), and FW menthol. lots of flavors to test will report back in about 3 days bud. cant do anything until then.

do you think something crazy like:
FW blue ice (mainly menthol, blue raspberry)
FW razleberry (mainly rasp, light blackberry, candy bottlecaps flavor)
CAP harvest berry (mainly rasp, blackberry, little blue and huckle)
FW blueberry
ws-23 or koolada

this would give us all of our needed berries while all being in concentrates that support eachother, which usuall equals a bangin recipe!
#18 by Kayu, Sep 27. 2017, 05:53
if you feel you get a weird flavor from koolada try ws-23
as for blue ice, i am afraid i dont have any experience, however what i can surely tell is that its most likely that the very cool recipe doesnt have sweetener or EM(if it does its very minimal) all the sweetness you get its from the berry concentrates.
Sweet raspberry gives a good flavor however in this case i would need to test how it layers with harvest berry, give me a couple of days to finish the bottle i made and ill make another test with sweet rasp.
#19 by A.D.V., Sep 29. 2017, 05:21
flavor tested FW blue ice today at 10% (made a ote you can look at) and think it could totally work. i got a chalky taste from it the same as i do from koolada (but less so) it has almost no menthol and is very cooling at 10%. i get just a bit of that koolada chalkyness from the original so i can totally see it in there at like 3-6%. made the above recipe today and will test tomorrow. the slightly sour note is the only thing im having trouble figuring out-i think it could be CAP raspberry-i will add it if this mix needs.

in the original i swear i can taste something like FA strawberry, which is unlikely but there is a definite slightly green note in it that i get from the stem taste of FA strawberry. if there is a strawberry in there it is likely CAP sweet strawberry at like 2% just enough to support not to really come through.
#20 by Kayu, Sep 29. 2017, 10:42
for stem notes i would recommend as you mentioned fa strawberry, shisha strawberry(inw) and maybe tpa strawberry at certain percentages, in my side i just made a mix with 3% sweet raspberry and 3 % blueberry fw, with 4% harvest, removed the blackberry from fw because it gives this super earth taste combined with the harvest.
as for the EM went down to .5%
the thing about cap raspberry is that there is two versions i only use the v2 dont know what the v1 tastes.
#21 by A.D.V., Sep 30. 2017, 11:23
dude, kayu, i think you need to buy FW blue ice! at 7% it has the same coolness, its clean tasting, has almost no mint, and the blue raspberry is killer. i think it's for sure in there. not so sure about the razzleberry-its delicious dont get me wrong but is very sweet at 3% so am trying to drop it to 2% and adding CAP raspberry v1. i do not have CAP rasp v2 but v1 has a slightly sour note i am looking for. i still taste a strawberry in the original but we'll deal with that later. i agree there is no sweetwner and probably no EM in the original. my v3 mix was way too sweet even with no sweetener or EM, and is not sour even a bit. but...it is really delicious!
#22 by Kayu, Sep 30. 2017, 14:37
Greetings!
hmm then ill ordre blue ice as soon as possible not soon...i just got a order of like 300 usd worth of concentrates, as for the strawberry you can try ripe strawberry + red touch from fa. Sorry if i am not being of much help still waiting for that mix with sweet rasp to steep a lil.
#23 by A.D.V., Oct 11. 2017, 03:04
dont think CAP's raspberry v1 is in there, its semi creamy and not sour at all. the latest recipe i am going to split 4 ways and test raspberries. i would also like to try adding small amounts of strawberry or cap juicy peach. but even with all these the recipe will be missing that tang! any suggestions on tangy/sour flavors that fit this profile?
#24 by Kayu, Oct 14. 2017, 08:08
Greetings,
So i made an order for the blue ice it should arrive next week a long with some other flavoring, however for the tang i am lost, from what some store told me, is that naked does make their own fruit concentrates, thats why its supposed to taste very close to the fruit itself, i wouldn't know how to confirm this.

3% sweet raspberry
3 % blueberry fw
4% harvest

didn't work at all, unfortunately.
lets wait for that blue ice

i think ill go:
5% blue ice
3% harvest berry
2 blueberry fw
2% cap rasp v2
3 % straw ripe
(if the cooling effect is not enough ill add a .5% of koolada)
#25 by A.D.V., Oct 20. 2017, 00:02
well wayne at diyordie cloned their hawaiian POG and it tastes legit to me-he used only TFA, CAP, and FA. so lets hope thats not true. i would drop the harvest to 2.5, and strawberry ripe to 2%, test, and then add the raspberry v2, and test again. see if you like the base.

i also have FW strawberry (which is a weird one), might try that in my next mix. taste testing CAP's juicy peach i could see it working in there instead of the strawberry to juicen up the mix and maybe add a bit of that blue raspberry note-but im skeptical and it would have to be very low, like 1%.
#26 by Kayu, Nov 8. 2017, 12:03
Hows this mix going for you?
i finally got a new bottle of very cool today, after tasting just the liquid not in a vape, yes it has a strawberry note, i dont think its straw ripe, its normal tpa strawberry

so if it would be the case i would go for:
2% harvest berry
6% blue ice
3%(maybe 2 but the bb note needs to be ontop) blueberry fw
2-3% strawberry tpa(regular one)

as for the blueberry note? maybe a lemon would be nice to enhance it? maybe lemon sici from fa at .5? or cold pressed at .5?
#27 by Kayu, Nov 8. 2017, 12:14
o almost forgot the version i made 3 days ago goes like this:
blue ice 7%
blueberry fw 3%
strawberry ripe 2%
blue raspberry 2%
harvest berry 1%
lemon tpa .5%

it is damn tasty, however according to the people who vape very cool around here, its not it, it along the way but its missing some stuff, i am thinking 1% blue ras, 2% harvest and then change ripe straw for regular straw form tpa, as that smell in the new bottle gives me that vibe.

also unrelated question, do you know where to start for a granola vape?
#28 by Kayu, Nov 18. 2017, 15:11
i found the clone is almost there, just tweaking the percentages.
#29 by A.D.V., Nov 21. 2017, 01:57
took a break from tackling this and glad i did! ive just been single flavor testing and stumbled upon CAP blackberry. i agree that there is TPA strawberry (regular) in there and 1.5-2% is probably about right. but there are several reasons why i think CAP blackberry is in there too: it is totally non-sweet, in fact it seems to drive the sweeteness of other flavors down, it has a flat grape-like flavor, and it has a very light mint flavor at low %s. i just mixed
FW blue ice 6%
FW blueberry 2.5%
CAP blackberry 4%
either too much blackberry or not enough of everything else but with some TPA strawberry, some WS-23 and some EM, it should be on point.

keep in mind i am 99% sure there is EM in this recipe (maybe even TPA circus cotton candy, or CAP blue rasp cotton candy). you should try 0.5% EM. and i am not sure about the FW blue raspberry-that flavor is bitter and weird LOL! try 3% CAP blackberry instead.

about the granola, i think TPA's oatmeal cookie will get you there :)
#30 by Kayu, Nov 21. 2017, 04:10
try this:
blue ice 7%
harvest berry 4%
strawberry 3-4% tpa(i recommend 4 so you how it tastes)
blueberry 3% fw
lemon tpa .5%

This is the closest i found to very cool and its pretty darn close, might have to up blue ice to 8 or 9 actually.
#31 by A.D.V., Nov 24. 2017, 22:42
i will have to mix that up. whats missing compaired to the original? also check out my review of FW strawberry it looks like a good candidate for the strawberry as well-it has a completely mid-flavor and is pretty flat which actually fits what we need here.
#32 by Kayu, Nov 25. 2017, 02:28
I would say that it missing is tweaking around the percentages, specially in the area of harvest berry vs strawberry, also i think its missing that cooling effect on the exhale.
#33 by A.D.V., Nov 25. 2017, 04:38
just add 0.75% koolada or ws-23 to the recipes you have already whipped up. i dont think blue ice is going to get us to the cooling point of the original by itself. at 7% i start to taste the koolada-chalk, which is why i think its not more than that-i dont taste the chalkyness of it in the original, but it may steep out or be slightly hidden :)

also, i just tried chrisdvr1's naked100 lava flow recipe on all the flavors and, BAM! what a great clone-will be an ADV of mine from now on! we can learn fron the way the other good naked100 clones are set up.
#34 by Kayu, Nov 25. 2017, 13:25
Please do try the recipe, i believe thats the final version, many people have tried it, and say its almost the same just missing a smige like the cooling effect and more flavor for the harvest berry which is more present, however if i start adding more harvest berry it does start changing the flavor complete, blue ice at 6% is not that chalky, however the cooling does lose some effect, for me very cool must be very harsh on the throat with the nicotine due the cooling effect.
If you dont mind i would like to release my version with an explanation and of course the proper mentions, since without you it is possible that i would never found the recipe.
the steep time on my version is 5-7 days and should taste as expected.
#35 by A.D.V., Nov 26. 2017, 01:37
dude, release it kayu! by all means!
if you mention me i go by "reasonably dan" for most eliquid stuff - this recipe is as much yours as it is mine.

i just mixed up your version-only had to sub FA lemon sicily at the same percent). ive never had TPA's lemon. do you think they are similar enough?

back of the hand tastes very similar to the original! i will try tomorrow in a tank.
what juice should we work on next? something fruity is my preference, maybe naked100's green blast?? cheers!
#36 by Kayu, Dec 2. 2017, 10:20
Greetings,

i wonder what to try next, i think i tried green blast yesterday i remember was honeydew/cantaloupe with green apple and something else, i wasnt a fan of it, the melon part overtakes my rda, taking that flavor out of my cotton its a bitch, however just let me know on what you wanna work on, if i can buy it(might take awhile just spent half a grand on black friday) to taste it i could surely try and help out.

As for lemon sici from fa i havent tried the recipe with that, however i could surely say that if we go with the route of any juice company(old ones) its mostly cheap flavorings, to maximize profit.

i still think we are missing something in this clone, i read your notes, i do feel something that eats flavor, like em, the flavor is the original is not as prominent as my last tester:
blue ice 7%
strawberry 5%
harvest berry 5%
blueberry 2%(i might just do another with 3%)
lemon tpa .5%
koolada .5%

it is possible that adding .5% sour tpa will just blend everything as expected, since the strawberry with em will add so much sweetness that we wont be able to control

is either that or the steep time is doing its job bringing flavors down after some weeks(which my test of 60mls dont last that bloody long!!!)
I do love my fruity stuff, normally with menthol.

I was working on a clone of TNT Ice by Time Bomb Vapors, which i think is already a done deal, recipe was kinda basic and was based on the recipes that were around.

so if you have any ideas on what to work on, i am all ears.
#37 by Kayu, Dec 2. 2017, 10:38
more indepth into your notes, i had a previous version of this which was the v8 which was:(i choose v9 due its strong flavor):
7 blue ice
5 strawberry tpa
3 harvest berry
3 bluberry fw
lemon tpa .5

now with your notes it means we add koolada .5%, this could get what you were discussing in your notes, harvest berry not as strong but still there and strawberry would go complement all the other berries, now with the koolada in it would act the same as the EM for the smooth blender effect with all of the ingredients, however our rival is always time, waiting a week or two to see how the flavor dies with something this tasty its a pain in the ass, my 60 ml testers dont last that long damn it!!!
#38 by A.D.V., Dec 14. 2017, 22:25
what flavor do you think is dying out? if its the strawberry thats fine as you can barely taste it in the original though its totally in there pretty high. i think it might be the harvest berry dying out. working on a version with CAP blackberry and FW strawberry. i also found i like LA raspberry (colorless) best for this recipe, take a look at me flavor note for it. they totally could be using a LA flavor.
#39 by Kayu, Dec 15. 2017, 13:54
Hmmm well i am missing fw strawberry and la raspberry, those are flavors that normally dont even consider, for testing i wouldnt be useful on this one, however if you do find a improvement i could surely order them(eventually)
#40 by A.D.V., Jan 24. 2018, 04:41
hey sorry i have been working on other projects. I found out that my lungs dont really like menthol or cooling flavors (everytime i vape them all day i cough for a day or two-thnk im slightly alergic). so for now will have to test without any extra cooling. i will test recipes with blue ice sparingly. i have been doing a bunch of testing on FW blackberry and though its a wonderful flavor i feel its a little too sweet. FW and TPA strawberry can pretty much be used interchangeably its almost like FW’s is TPA’s after a long steep where the topnotes die off.

you know i love berries and now am thinking that FLV boysenberry is in there at 2-3%. its a blackberry and raspberry flavor, has a tartness, and overall really gives me that “very cool” vibe. since i have gone through every raspberry besides FLV, HS and other obscure brands and not found the right one, wouldbit be possible for them to use boysenberry as both the blackberry and raspberry? afterall a real boyzenberry is those two fruits combined. i have updated and posted the latest recipe i will be testing.
#41 by Kayu, Jan 24. 2018, 05:08
for the tartness i am looking for an alternative at this time instead of blue ice i am using blue raspberry(fw) and the olde menthol liquid from tpa ill post results whenever its possible.
This idea came to me when i mixed a blue raspberry candy remix(which it didnt work it was using blue rasp 13% i noticed a real kinda of fruit on the blue raspberry).
#42 by xx2000xx, Mar 2. 2018, 10:30
Thanks for the help with OSDIY blue raspberry slushy. I just got it today and did 10% and didn't see what the hype was all about for being able to an awesome stand alone. It's good though so I'll have fun playing around with it in different mixes like the holy blueberry trinity etc...
#43 by juice junkie, Aug 22. 2019, 16:02
Has anyone worked on this recently? I just got this juice from a friend and they wanted me to work on the clone. So far in my notes I can tell you this definitely has inawera blackberry raspberry, blue ice fw, and harvest berry cap. I need to mix and figure out the percentages.
#44 by xx2000xx, Aug 22. 2019, 21:46
INW blackberry raspberry? If it's blackberry my guess is that it'd have a touch of TPA and blue ice I'm not too sure about. You could throw in some WS-23 and or Polar Blast instead of the koolada in that which gives it that kick but it's a horrible flavor and sub it for something like HS blueberry or even FW Blueberry.

FA Forest Fruit might be worth a shot over harvest too, however for what you got the %'s I'd do is this:

INW Raspberry (malina) I take it. .50% or less as it's a bully of a flavor. CAP Harvest 3-4%, Blue Ice 4%. A pound of Super Sweet.

You might want to check out WF Boysenberry-Raspberry that just came out which would work in it too. I know it's not a clone, but a lot of the time you can do a remix that is the same if not better, due to commerical juices.

Let me know if you need any help, I had it once ages ago but I can do some research and help you try and nail something more concerete down.
#45 by Kayu, Aug 22. 2019, 22:11
it is very unlikely very cool uses super sweet since it doesnt gunk your coils, for any mix forward, make sure to follow the time of the very cools release. meaning they have a less flavors at the time of release which should help you on getting the clone you want, for me i found one that i liked and stopped there.
#46 by juice junkie, Aug 22. 2019, 22:30
Here's the blackberry raspberry. It's super strong as well. I really appreciate your feedback and for getting back to me.

https://www.diyvaporsupply.com/raspberry-blackberry-iw/


I just mixed this up and it's super close.
BlackBerry raspberry inw 0.8%
Blue ice fw 4%
Harvest berry cap 3.5%
Juicy lemon 0.3%
Raspberry v2 cap 2%
Super sweet 0.5%

I tried adding 1% fw blueberry and I think it ruined it as far as it being like the clone. I feel like the blackberry raspberry is what gives off that chemical candy back taste that I taste in the original. I dont think forest fruit is in this but I could be totally wrong. I'll order some wf boysenberry raspberry. I have the whole line and a few of the newest ones but I didn't get that one because I never was a fan of flv boysenberry quite honestly. I really feel that harvest berry is in this. Everytime I smell my drip tip after I take a vape harvest berry is definitely what I smell. If you a chance to pick up that BlackBerry raspberry please let me know what you think. I only added the drop of lemon juice per 10ml to help the berries pop.
#47 by xx2000xx, Aug 23. 2019, 04:18
I remember that flavor and besides there that's the only place to get it in the US as even vaperstek doesn't have it. I just mentioned Forest Fruit because most aren't fans of CAP's Harvest Berry and it's kind of an alternative. WF Bumbleberry is basically a better version of Harvest Berry.

TPA Acai Berry is always overlooked too if you want to go in that direction but if you want a chemical candy then TPA blackberry is what they're probably using. There is no way in hell that they are probably using INW in the first place and besides that a very rare one also.

Bullcity/Ecigexpress has SC/FE blackberry which is probably the best if you give up on the blackberry raspberry. You can do INW Raspberry (malina) with again someting like WF boysenberry-raspberry. VTA Boysenberry is a lighter version too and what I use in a blue raspberry mix instead of FLV. FLV Boysenberry you do have to push it a bit compared to other FLV but I don't use it all that often either.

Looking at the profile. If you want to tweak it a bit and have basically an awesome grape forward (not strong) version of harvest/forest get INW Purple Blush which has a touch of coolant to it also and will also work with other dark berries. I tend to use single flavors rather than jake of all trades but that flavor (which is new) is a winnner for sure and not well known yet and could be a great improvement. You want to clone it though, so...

INW Malina can be a bully but one of the best raspberries out there if not the best. They could be pushing it high at .75 to 1% maybe and work around that because that would give it a distinct chemical note but that's probably the koolada that's destroying the mix which is in FW's version and probably thiers. WS-23/Polar Blast is better.

I actually tossed FW blue ice ages ago. There's no point when you can get there, especially with Polar Blast (11% koolada) compared to straight up 30% which will not only take time to steep but will also destroy flavors.

I want to re-read the notes again, but from what I remember there was a sour aspect and also a blue raspberry'ish type of flavor. When they made it I think the only decent one that was available at the time was WF Sour Blue Raspberry, but OOO's blue raspberry candy is excellent. For sour you could do FLV Sour Apple (low doesn't taste like apple), WF Sour ball candy, or kill 2 birds with one stone in Vape Train's Sour Lemon.

Other than that, EU Blue Raspberry, FR Electric Blue, or Nicotine River's Blue Raspberry would be the only true "blue raz" worth getting, but I could see them using CAP's blue raspberry. For blueberry HS blueberry would be the one to get, however there is no way they are using that.

You could try the famous blueberry trinity for a realistic blueberry flavor (search reddit) and then work from there too. And I did a quick search and nobody mentioned Bilberry which I'm shocked that they didn't think of that. That will make berries pop, and along with FW blueberry and TPA Blueberry (extra) makes the trinity and would give you the chemical note.

I'll read the notes later as this is one of the best threads, but for the profile (not trying to clone but to do the profile with better ingredients) I'd go.

INW Raz Malina .50%

HS Blueberry .75%

WF Boysenberry-Raspberry, WF Bumbleberry, INW Purple Blush, SC/FE Blackberry, FW Razzelberry --- all could work.

OOO Blue Raspberry Candy

WF Sour Ball Candy --- pops all the fruits

VT Sour Lemon .25% --- If you need more Malic FLV Sour Apple is the best and has the longest staying power out of all the sour flavors @ .50%.

WS-23 .75%

Polar Blast .25%

If it needs sweetener FW @ .30% or SS at .15%

SS is 20% + additives we don't know about where FW is pure @ 10%. PUR Sweetener is also excellent.
#48 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 21. 2020, 22:57
Hi everyone,
I went through your notes and saw how the profile of the initial recipe has been tested, adapted and improved. I do not have enough time to test and play DIY myself a lot but will dive into this one. One thing that surprised me is that the author was not aware of the lemon flavor importance when dealing with berries. It is a must in such recipe.
The other thing, how come nobody of you published an adaptation of this recipe?
My nose was looking for smth like this for long now.

Suggestions for my start, what do you think of:
Boysenberry FLV 3
Sweet strawberry CAP 2
HS Blueberry 0.75 (or maybe FA Forrest fruit 1.5%)
Blue Sour FW 1.0
INW Malina 0.5
Lemon Sicily 0.25
Polar blast 0.25
Ws-23 0.75
SS 0.25

Suggestions? Will report in few days after some variations of the above.



#49 by Kayu, Jan 23. 2020, 11:40
The is various reasons, for people not publishing, some of the people are trying to find the flavor by using new age concentrates, naked has been around for some time, as for the importance of using lemon in berries, i do notice the lemon in the non cool version, however in the berry cool version i dont taste any lemon, basically what i was going for was the version that coulda been made at the time, i released one adaptation, which was close enough for me, i am sure dan found his version already, i do have some other versions which i am not releasing that i did extra tweaks to it, applying the same idea as before, using concentrates that had been around when naked came out with very cool.
what i can tell you is that very cool has a blue raz flavor, we dont know if its a blue raz or blue ice, it has harvest berry, it has a very specific exhale of a dark berry, with a sweet middle like a strawberry or raspberry.
#50 by juice junkie, Jan 25. 2020, 08:59
@Kayu please try the inawera BlackBerry raspberry. You will see that's the missing link. I usually use a drop of lemon in my blueberry flavor juices. Its helps to make the blueberry pop. It's not there to add a lemon flavor. It's just there to support the blueberry. Try it in any blueberry recipe.
#51 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 26. 2020, 12:13
Here's my final version. Don't know about the original but this should be fine.

e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/3439678/Naked%20100%27s%20very%20cool%20clone%20HS%20Blue
#52 by Kayu, Jan 30. 2020, 03:58
weird, neither bullcity or nicoriver carry inw raspberry blackberry, might have to find it somewhere else, while i do understand the whole lemon idea and have use it before, hell i still use it on my current version, there still something missing, maybe the concentrate you just mentioned, however finding it will be the issue, i did try to add blackberry fw and got closer but is still missing that dark berry exhale.
#53 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 08:34
@Kayu
https://www.rainbowvapes.co.uk/products/blackberry-raspberry-inawera-flavour-concentrate?_pos=3&_sid=0ea14175e&_ss=r
#54 by juice junkie, Jan 30. 2020, 11:41
Yes. I also posted above where to find it in the USA....diy vapor supply. Trust me you need this flavor! I'm not the type of person to tell somone you need something when I'm unsure. I have well over 1200 flavors, I have written reviews on several hundred solo flavors, and have been mixing over 6 years. Trust me I'm not telling you something to waste your time and money. Hell I'd send you a 5ml of the flavor if you pm me your address on the forum or on Facebook.
#55 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 12:18
@juice junkie
....and I thought I was a freak with approx 150 flavors in my stash...
Tell me one thing: how can you manage that big stock ? I mean, you can mix and DIY every day but you simply cannot use all that until EXPIRY date. And the usual thing with expiry dates is ... 2 years max from what I've seen. I have noticed my several flavors had been getting darker in colour after a year or two - despite keeping them in cold and dark place. I know that doesn't necessarily mean they're bad. But, I don't feel ok when I take a look at the expiry date and it is several months past....

How long can a flavor last after the expiry date ?

As for INW B/R - ordered. Can't wait to test it. With this recipe I've re-discovered my berries apetite... Yummy.
#56 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 12:26
Besides, with so many expert remarks on this recipe one gets puzzled quickly. I would add my 4-5 stars to this recipe youst for its extensive comments (I learned a lot through them) but would prefer to see some of the improvements implemented in an adopted recipe.

Maybe ADV or Kayu or even juice junkie or xx2000xx?
#57 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 12:27
Whatever, gave it 5* just because of the very supportive comments content.
#58 by Kayu, Jan 30. 2020, 12:56
Morning!
i don't think you are freak MTL, i own a small business of juice here on Mexico, so i also have like 700 flavors, lately its getting hard to remember notes that i just write them in a handbook i have around, i don't even know where to put the bottles anymore, too many companies are fighting for our tastes and they keep releasing good and most of the times bad concentrates.

i will be ordering the inw concentrate really soon, on my next wholesale order, however since its from diysupply, will be kinda hefty, 30 usd for a 120ml, it will be worth it if i can get close, since its more like a personal juice for me,if i dont have to deal with the icy part of the blue ice in fw concentrate, and can add it to taste, that way i can enhance the parts that really matter, instead of keeping the icy part on a leash since blue ice after 5% has a really horrible throat hit.

however we have to keep in mind when making versions of this, that more flavors doesn't mean complexity, sometimes less is more, this is true for most companies making commercial e liquids, so have a mindset that its a commercial juice you are trying to remix.

i will be checking the comments whenever possible, need to add BRinw to the list and try again, do try adding new things, sometimes you will be surprised and get a different new recipe, i have done more than 40 versions of my very cool recipe and all are different on their own, the whole idea of the extensive research of this recipe was to get other people trying different things and find the answer faster. glad to see you guys still recommend a different approach.

If you guys read the comments before seems ADV is out of the question for very cool as he got coughing from the fresh and menthol aspects of it.

#59 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 13:19
@Kayu
thanks. I see.
I saw ADV's caughinhg problems but reverted to him as this is his recipe.

Kayu, 30 usd for a 120ml at wholesale business - that's far too expensive, don't you think ? If you only need it for personal mixing, 10ml would do. With Rainbowvapes approx. 2$ for 10ml.

Yeah, I'm learning. Less is more, I agree. Too complex things I've tried to mix often get muted, flavors lost...

How's Mexico e-liquid business in this hard times over your north border ?
#60 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 13:22
@ Kayu
I found your adoptation of Very coll but it is 22% in flavor, isn't that too high ? Besides I'm sure one of your other 40 adoptations would get more attention and would help better the community.
#61 by Kayu, Jan 30. 2020, 14:24
i dont have a wholesale price with diysupply thats why it is really expensive, my normal distributors dont carry the flavor for some reason.
It is for personal mixing, but i go trough juice really fast like 120 like every 3-4 days, 10ml wouldnt even last me that long, i dont mind the price, since if i like the flavor i can make something for my own line and make money out of it.

Mexico its low, but its getting up slowly, i did have to lower the prices, since national made liquids are not as popular(hyped) as american brands, but its getting better.

as for the 22% is not that high since the price of making it, its like 1 dollar for 60mls, its like 1/10 of the retail price, remember that naked has been around for some time, we didnt have tanks or mods with complexity like nowdays, so high flavor was a must to make it pop, specially with liquids that didnt gunk your coils, meaning they were not using normal sweetener, mostly ethyl or sweetener with a super low concentration on them, this is the things that pop in my mind when trying to clone/remix flavors, is all about the resources they had and the time they made the flavor, what impresses me the most is how well naked flavors have aged, either is old tank or a new one still tastes awesome.
#62 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 30. 2020, 14:46
Well, my favorite liquids remain - Nasty Silver and Horny Mango. The 2nd can easily be cloned but that Silver.... impossible. Naked is somehow out of my reach as not so available in Europe.
I understand your attempts to work on flavors available at that time, have read the upper.... Still, 22% with today's devices is high. The trend here is to go lower on flavor. You said it: less is more...
Especialy working with some very potent today's flavors like FLV or SC.
Access of flavors does impact the lungs, however. I know commercial liquids often go accross 20% but that why we have - diy.
Vaping 30ml/day at supposingly 3mg/ml strength gives you 100 mg of nic/day. That's like 2-3 packs of Marlboro.... Vaping should decrease you nic intake, isn't that the point ?
#63 by Kayu, Jan 30. 2020, 23:06
I dont use 3mg, since i make my own i went down to 1mg, is nasty silver ill check it with the stores i supply. Once i get br inw ill try to make a low concentration mix.
#64 by MTL sLOVEnia, Jan 31. 2020, 06:47
Fine. About Nasty Silver it is strange people in USA don't know about it while it is the most popular juice in UK. It is produced in Malaysia. Would be raly interested in cracking it...
#65 by xx2000xx, Feb 1. 2020, 04:51
forum.e-liquid-recipes.com/t/lets-talk-about-blue-raspberry/172564/151

Been working on this profile for years, and went on the forums thanks to this thread. I see there is a lot of action here and I'll respond when I have some time and break down your recipe if you tell me exactly what you are going after.

What type of berry notes? More jammy or candy? Blue Raz or Darker berries with a coolant?
#66 by Kayu, Feb 1. 2020, 13:04
Here is what i think we are missing on the recipe, the aftertaste of very cool is a dark berry, lil earthy with an acidic/sour finish, for me its a type of blueberry or maybe blue raz(possibly wrong), now at simple glance lemon doesn't seem to be the answer, as the lemon used on the recipes and original is not noticeable at all, its only present in the non cool version(very berries), which for me very berries its a completely different recipe, but it also tells me they are using a blue raz flavor that is old and didnt have cooling and they added it to very cool after that.

there was some comments that instead of tpa strawberry is not a good choice(in my version) that ripe strawberry is more closer, however the smell i get from very cool its for me tpa strawberry, maybe ripe can give that acidic/sour aftertaste.

If you are interested on testing one of the versions, they are on adv comments or in this link e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/2037353/Verry%20Close!%20(very%20cool%20Naked%20100%27s%20clone)

Thats a old version, now thinking more i would remove the koolada and lower blue ice to 6% maybe 5% and tweak some percentages around, specially the strawberry since it seems to noticeable after a step.

There is also another thing, we are using blue ice as the "main" ingredient which seems to be working fine, but it has a slight throat hit on the cooling effect that the original liquid doesnt have(maybe the answer is blue ice + other blue raz to avoid the hit). So if we can find a blue raz that is like blue ice fw(blue raz from fw not the same for me) and control the cooling it would be huge.

the thing i am adamant for is sticking to the rules when naked came out with these flavors, if one of them its proprietary then a clone its not possible, however if its not then we can surely clone to a degree, i started with ADV on 2017 nov on cracking this thing, seems the liquid is not as popular as it was, since no one is trying, only a couple of people are testing, what i do believe is that the juice is a high concentration, like most old commercial juices.

In the end if we find the answer ill prolly make a reduce percentage version of it.
#67 by xx2000xx, Feb 29. 2020, 07:29
Blue Ice is just their BB with massive amounts of koolada.

Kayu: Just get HS Blueberry if you can, FW BB, FA Bilberry, INW Malina WS-23 to start.

I'll get back to this thread in a bit, which is the best ever on ELR BTW :-)
#68 by LittleBearLuLu, Apr 27. 2020, 19:09
I'm giving this recipe five stars just because I think it is the best thread on ELR ever. Just reading the notes has been so educational and informative. Has anyone reached a general consensus on a final version? With all the notes I honestly can't even tell where to start. I'm new to mixing and I'll order whatever ingredients are needed.

This is my absolute favorite juice. I usually vape the nic salts but recently switched over to the e-juice. I just finished another bottle and I can tell you while I do agree there is raspberry in there for sure there is also definitely strawberry. The last taste I have in my mouth when I vape this is always some kind of strawberry. I've vaped the nic salts version of this and the ejuice there are subtle differences. In the nic salts version there is more of that sour note people have mentioned and I do believe there's a tiny bit of lemon in there. Mostly in the nic salt version you get blasted with menthol which is personally why I love it so much. I would even go as far as suggesting you try it as an ex all because that might help you understand what flavors they are using better perhaps. Also, I do believe the recipes have been reformulated within the last few months. Vaping some leftovers from older bottles compared to the bottle I just picked up this month there are small differences but they are definitely there.
Hopefully that will not make it harder for you guys 2 work on this. The ones in the glass bottle those are the ones that are older.

I agree it is over 20% flavoring because I have vaped the nic salts on many devices even 5 and 11 watts and you can always still the taste berries. That being said since many years have passed and many better flavor concentrates have came out it might be best to just work on it with does newer flavors to try to get the percentages down.

Thanks to everybody who has worked on this so far, keep up the good work.if everyone made notes like this imagine the possibilities that could come out of the DIY community.
#69 by Kayu, May 15. 2020, 15:50
Havent been working on the recipe since well covid19 stuff,

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I do use HS blueberry but for different recipes doesnt fit in what i taste in the glass version of the original, havent tried a recent sample but apparently is different?

also i do have all the ing mentioned, since very cool is a more like a blueish or dark berry based inw rasp wont work, i do use FW BB on my version. as for Fa bilberry it doesnt fit the smell just takes everything away, but it could work since it gives a nice dark feeling to the mix.

LittleBearLuLu:
Raspberry could be contender, finding the right raspberry that doesnt take a main note might be an issue since the mix already have lots of ing, its easy to overpower the mix, for example if you try my version the strawberry completely takes over in the aftertaste, and in such small amount.

I did try different lemons, they smell and taste in the initial mix , but fade away after a couple of days.

As for my side i am still trying to get the older glass version, thing is ADV been MIA for some time, so i am working alone on this one.

As for what i am sure since the start:

-The mix has strawberry most likely tpa regular version or a combo of ripe and regular(the smell it has its for me regular tpa)

-It has blue ras or blue ice from fw

-I get a small tone of menthol in all that koolada meaning they are prolly using blue ice and most likely blue ras.

-It has a sourish aftertaste that last for a longtime which i am not sure if it is lemon or other compound.

-Harvest berry is an active ingredient or a combination of berries that taste and smell like it.

-the berry that gives that sour dark feeling hasnt been found, as stated in comments in the top there is an INW combination that i need to try.




#70 by LittleBearLuLu, Jun 19. 2020, 07:50
Kayu, just smelling what is leftover in my glass bottles you are right that it's a combination of strawberries because I smell TPA strawberry but I taste TPA strawberry ripe. On the exhale it's strawberry with that pesky sour note that I don't particularly enjoy but it's there. You could be over thinking this. I believe(could be wrong) that the sour note is merely an effect of the Koolada/blue ice or some other muting going on with these berries while the bottles steep for months getting from the factory to your hands. I don't think they used super sweet since it has never killed my coils before the last formulation but now it's a possibility. As I said I enjoy the salt nic version better than the regular ejuice and even at very low watts the flavor packs a punch so its very high percentages they're using. Do try the nic salt version if you can. Generally speaking those seem to be simpler in construction but the ingredients are the same so maybe just maybe you will be able to crack this one that way.

Possibly you need just plain menthol here as whichever version I vape there's some sinus clearing thing happening which I love that's a must. As I type I'm vaping the Naked 100 Very Berry. Supposedly it's the non iced version of Very Cool(its been renamed by the way to https://www.ejuiceconnect.com/Naked-100-Menthol-Berry-E-liquid-60ml-p/berry-by-naked-100-menthol.htm) however there's no strawberry in it. Try that one as maybe it will be more concise for you without the icy menthol to distract your nose. Because they're a big company it's very likely the same main ingredients as that's cost effective for them. Comparing the two there's the pesky sour thing going on in this Very Berry and there's more lemon for sure. The berries are the same and I'd suggest you try a bit of Forrest fruit and my favorite SC lemon. Don't worry if its sharp after the shake since it will mellow out after a few days. Can't wait to see what you think.

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