DIY Black Honey Tobacco and Bavarian Crème ejuice recipe

#1 by Duane, Jun 25. 2014, 12:00

You're missing a few key ingredients.

#2 by Maurice Pudlo, Jun 25. 2014, 17:48

Not sure what happened there but it's fixed now

#3 by Carlosflyhigh, Jun 30. 2014, 05:23

thanks for sharing

#4 by witte1954, Sep 13. 2014, 15:45

Excellent

#5 by Carlosflyhigh, Nov 22. 2014, 20:26

my tip is if you juice steep more than 30 days it becomes too strong. Maybe cut % half if you your juice will sit for a while.

#6 by jzerba2013, Jan 3. 2015, 05:40

I will surely be making this in the next day or two! Sounds great and will rate afterward! Thanks for sharing!

#7 by ohm-I-god, Feb 7. 2015, 20:20

This is absoluely delicious. I am an ex smoker/dipper/(premium) cigar smoker and have never had an interest in tobacco vapes but this sparked my interest and i am very glad it did. 5 stars all the way.

#8 by Ionman, Feb 24. 2015, 10:45

after a 10 min hot bath and 48hr steep, I must say that this is delicious @ 30/70 & 12mg. Thanks very much!

#9 by Billy_Jean, Apr 8. 2015, 09:45

very good especially with morning coffee

#10 by VapinSue, Jun 29. 2015, 00:39

This is excellent! UC steep for 30 min, cooled with cap off for a couple of hours and already vaping - very smooth.

#11 by Maurice Pudlo, Jul 1. 2015, 18:37

Thanks for all of the wonderful comments, I'm touched that this recipe is so well received by so many people.

#12 by VapinSue, Jul 20. 2015, 07:13

Still my favorite ADV. I'm constantly making new batches, don't want to run out!!!

#13 by Damondo, Aug 1. 2015, 16:07

I made a 400ml batch of this stuff. Will report back with my findings in a few weeks. =)

#14 by LiftEngineer, Aug 22. 2015, 02:47

Tastes pretty bad to me.3 weeks in and I just dumped it. Not my taste I guess.

#15 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 22. 2015, 04:26

Thank you for trying the recipe, I'm sorry you didn't find it to your liking.

Black honey tobacco takes a while to mature, some folks report a need to steep for as much as six weeks for best results. Perhaps a very small second sample stashed away for longer may prove more to your liking, perhaps not.

We all have differing tastes, I do appreciate your input.

Maurice

#16 by DaRay, Aug 22. 2015, 16:26

I could get a good idea of the potential after mixing and vaping... and this was my first mix. I had to dump the EM since I don't know how to measure out the crystals. But otherwise I'm going to make a couple of stash batches. Nice recipe.

#17 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 23. 2015, 01:35

EM 10% is the same product as Cotton Candy by TFA, no crystal measuring needed.

#18 by HC2S, Aug 23. 2015, 14:42

WOOOT! HOLY CLOUDS VAPE MAN! This stuff is terrific. Steep? Good thing I made 2 x 120ml bottles :) The day after mixing I am starting to get hints of the Bavarian Cream under the Black Honey.
Awesome recipe Maurice. Simple, elegant and delicious.

#19 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 23. 2015, 18:57

Thank you so much bradslinux. I'm very humbled by all the positive reviews.

#20 by Damondo, Aug 26. 2015, 15:46

I made 400ml of this about a month ago. Cracked it open the other day and this is AMAZING sauce. Ran it thru the authentic Velocity at 0.27 ohm on the Snow Wolf at 75 watts. Delicious.

#21 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 26. 2015, 20:08

I have a temp control device on the way myself, I'll try that setting once it gets here.

#22 by Damondo, Aug 29. 2015, 13:48

Im running 26g 316L SS wire in wattage mode. 7 wraps on a 3mm bit. I am not a TC vaper so I have no idea what experience you will have in TC mode.

#23 by HC2S, Aug 29. 2015, 17:11

With age, this juice just gets better and better. I made another 120ml bottle this AM. I dripped this all week, and finally cleared my Atlantis tank from a previous flavor to put it in. Great ADV! I like things a bit sweeter so I added 1% Sweetener (Sucralose) (TPA) when I made the first batch and the one today. For me, it is Black Honey Heaven! I think the sweetener acts with the EM to really sweeten and "wet" juices up.

#24 by rocketvapes, Sep 14. 2015, 07:31

Guys, TPA only offers "Black Honey" not "Black Honey Tobacco" anymore. Any ideas, which TPA's tobacco flavor should i mix with Black Honey to get that whole thing together? Any suggestions on percentages?

#25 by rocketvapes, Sep 14. 2015, 07:36

Never mind, figured that TPA just renamed it and it is the same. Will try adding some more tobaccos to the mix to get some variations. Thanks for recipe.

#26 by Maurice Pudlo, Sep 14. 2015, 15:48

TFA/TPA have changed the names on many of their products over the years, thank you for trying this recipe out.

As for adding tobaccos to the mix, this recipe works well with many pipe and cigar tobacco flavors, a drop or so from a 14g blunt tip needle of AP changes the flavor considerably for me.

Just keep in mind tobacco flavors need the longer natural steep times.

Maurice

#27 by synergyblends, Oct 3. 2015, 22:17

I joined this site JUST so i could comment on this recipe. I made it last night and without steeping its already a new ADV for me :-D So simple and so smooth. Thanks for sharing man!

#28 by IcedCloud, Nov 3. 2015, 14:12

how can i calculate ethyl maltol grams?

#29 by Dio, Nov 13. 2015, 13:49

This is really nice juice.So smooth and warm vape...Thanks for sharing mate!

#30 by diketone, Dec 8. 2015, 16:53

great

#31 by Maurice Pudlo, Dec 8. 2015, 18:21

Again, thank you to everyone for the very kind comments, I'm glad you enjoy this recipe.

#32 by ali, Jan 31. 2016, 12:59

I love this mix!
I've been wondering if I can add a little bit more tobacco notes.
I have:
Turkish(TPA)
Sweet Tobacco(INW)
RY4(FA)
Maxx-Blend(FA)
Would any of them be suitable to add in this mix?

#33 by Maurice Pudlo, Jan 31. 2016, 20:04

I would certainly try out the Turkish myself.

#34 by ali, Jan 31. 2016, 22:16

What percentage would you recommend for a start, Maurice?

#35 by Maurice Pudlo, Feb 1. 2016, 00:02

I would start at 0.5% just to get a bit of flavor and likely limit it at 1%. This applies to any tobacco forward flavor. Black honey tobacco is more honey forward so it works at the higher percentage. For each percentage of Turkish you add take away the same of black honey tobacco. You could go as far as replacing the Black honey tobacco completely but that would be a totally new flavor mixture.

I would steep cap off for one day each week till I found it has evened out the flavors. I think you will get a

The total steep time is likely going to increase a bit with the addition of more tobacco flavor. My best suggestion without having done this exact mix would be 3 weeks minimum.

I have done a few alterations with this recipe using my own NETs and been pleased with the outcomes, but that gets really complicated really quick as I'm growing/drying/curing my own tobacco to make them.

Alternatively you could make a few bottles of each of the flavors you have on hand at your own preferred percentage and blend the final products.

#36 by ali, Feb 1. 2016, 00:52

Thanks a lot for the answer, you rock!

#37 by ali, Feb 11. 2016, 21:38

Hey Maurice, I followed your advice and made this:
e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/440758/Black+Turk+and+the+Bavarian

This was what I was looking for! Thanks a lot!

#38 by Maurice Pudlo, Feb 11. 2016, 23:25

Awesome, I'll try it out for sure. Thank you for the shout out.

#39 by Yelsew, Mar 10. 2016, 11:57

My first DIY. Tried a little each day, and after a week I believe this will become my new ADV. Gonna mix a larger batch pronto. Looking forward to enjoying it develop with time. Thanks for sharing the recipe!

#40 by Maurice Pudlo, Mar 10. 2016, 18:18

Thank you for giving it a shot, I'm very glad you enjoy it.

#41 by manusiniectio, Apr 25. 2016, 02:30

This is excellent! Thank you.

#42 by Michael, Apr 26. 2016, 22:57

Any one have any comments about how the juice is after about 3 weeks steep time I red that one of the comments said it's bad after a month just want others opinion because this recipe does sound really nice

#43 by Maurice Pudlo, Apr 27. 2016, 01:36

I've vaped some that was no less than a year old, aside from the fact it was no longer the nicotine level I use it was spectacular. I use 1.5mg/ml now, 6mg/ml would be a huge rush.

The longer you can steep it the better it gets.

LiftEngineer was the person that didn't like this mix at three weeks. Tastes do vary, so your minds eye may or may not be realized with this recipe, or it might. I'm flattered you are interested in trying it.

I suppose the one caveat would be that very long steep times (6 months or more) will make this into a bit of a coil gunker, this being my experience with trying to vape my older higher nic stash of mixes. I hate to toss stuff.

Maurice

#44 by Michael, Apr 27. 2016, 01:41

Wow thanks for the quick response youre right taste is subjective that's something you realize everyday as a vaper but from my past vapes I think this will be a very good vape for me so im definitely gonna try it out. thank you again :)

#45 by Maurice Pudlo, Apr 27. 2016, 03:35

No problem, please consider reporting back with your opinions good or otherwise. Have fun with it, that's the best I can advise people trying out new recipes.

If you have any questions I tend to check in often and try to help out as best I can.

Maurice

#46 by Michael, May 5. 2016, 12:20

Made a batch of this a couple of days ago and this is a amazing vape, thank you Maurice 😊

#47 by Maurice Pudlo, May 9. 2016, 15:48

Glad to see you enjoy the recipe Michael.

#48 by karaddun, May 13. 2016, 16:07

I tried black honey with french vanilla it was good. But trying with bavarian cream omg it's very delicious. Thanks you very much.

#49 by Michael, May 13. 2016, 17:04

Did you replace the vanilla with the bav cream?

#50 by Maurice Pudlo, May 14. 2016, 21:51

#karaddun, you are very welcome. Thank you for trying the recipe.

#51 by Theonetheycall, Jun 1. 2016, 03:53

IMO the recipe is awful. The black honey overpowers any other flavor profiles you were setting out for. This is just one opinion of many. And the many seem to like it.

#52 by Maurice Pudlo, Jun 1. 2016, 04:53

Thanks for giving the recipe a shot. I did mention in the recipe description that the honey flavor is out front, if you have a suggestion for a better description of what you experienced I will certainly consider incorporating it.

#53 by 🎅 SANTA714MIXER 🎅, Jun 3. 2016, 23:22

The steeping time isn't worth it for me. I get this weird but enjoyable coco butter smell /taste from it. This recipe is not good at all before 2 weeks of steeping.

#54 by Michael, Jun 4. 2016, 10:18

Hi Santa Well the recipe did say 2 weeks + of steep time

#55 by 🎅 SANTA714MIXER 🎅, Jun 4. 2016, 10:32

@michael I let it steep for 2-3weeks and It just wasn't worth the steep just my opinion.

#56 by 🎅 SANTA714MIXER 🎅, Jun 4. 2016, 10:34

I was expecting a more enjoyable mix for a 2 week steep.

#57 by Michael, Jun 4. 2016, 11:46

Oh okay sorry I misread I thought you said it's not worth waiting 2 weeks for e juice in particular.

#58 by 🎅 SANTA714MIXER 🎅, Jun 4. 2016, 18:16

All is good! Have a good day and keep on vaping.

#59 by Maurice Pudlo, Jun 4. 2016, 18:27

SANTA714MIXER, you are correct that the recipe is one that requires a long steep time and absolutely is not ready to vape until at least the 2 week mark. It does get better and better the longer you allow it to steep.

This is a function of both Bavarian Cream and the Black Honey Tobacco flavorings. In my experience Black Honey Tobacco needs the longest steep time of the two, however some do enjoy it prior to it peaking flavor wise. I've tried various methods to try to accelerate steep times with this recipe, without much luck.

What I do is mix up a 120ml bottle about once a month, when I get around to it in my rotation of flavors it is typically aged two months give or take.

I believe for those who DIY steep times shouldn't be much of an issue.

#60 by Maurice Pudlo, Jun 4. 2016, 18:38

With that said, I keep around a two to three month supply of mixes on hand at any given time. That allows me plenty of wiggle room if something just doesn't suit me that I mixed a while back.

DIY is such a versatile thing that adapting a recipe to ones own needs is pretty much what makes it worth the initial growing pains.

For example one can reduce total flavoring to compensate for exceptional performing atomizers or increase them for ones that don't produce as pronounced flavor on vaporization.

Coil diameter plays a part here too, large simple coils mute flavor in my experience.

It's somewhat like tuning a 5L Ford vs a 5L Chevy, each needs a bit different work to come out with the same lap times.

Everyone here that made this recipe has my utmost respect, it matters greatly to me that each of you took the time to make it and comment here, thank you.

Maurice

#61 by Sherif Hamdy, Jul 30. 2016, 00:01

Maurice, I'm not really surprised to see all of the above positive feedback. I wanna say that I made a 60ml batch two weeks ago, left it to steep and just tried it now on my geekvape avocado.
I'm not into tobacco flavors that much, but the simplicity of this recipe killed me.
This is absolutely one of the finest tobacco mixes I've ever vaped, and I will definitely be making a larger batch.
Can't wait to try it with my morning coffee!
Thank you very much for such an excellent mix.

#62 by tuberecruit, Aug 4. 2016, 23:39

I just made this up today and as a shake and vape its awesome really nice honey flavor its a dam rare treat bud thank you for posting initial recipie

#63 by CraigC, Aug 18. 2016, 05:14

Hello Maurice. Im 38 days separated from smoking and I just recently started DIY. This recipe was one of six that I started with and I am thouroughly enjoying it. Thanks very much.

#64 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 22. 2016, 18:35

Sharif Hamdy, I too love the simplicity of this mix, some recipes are incredibly complicated and costly to put together the ingredients for something you may not like.

tuberecruit, you should make a batch and stash it away for a while and try it say a month later. If you like it fresh, you'll be blown away after it steeps.

CraigC, congratulations on your escape from smoking, I recall that transition period from smoking to vaping. Finding electronic cigarettes was without a doubt my way out of smoking, I wanted so badly to quit for years and just couldn't put it down.

#65 by tuberecruit, Aug 24. 2016, 05:10

I made up 2 batches Maurice and both versions of it are excellent especially the version where i added the eucalyptus mint they have both have been steeping now since i made them and yes there still both a smooth vape so thanks for your very inspiring recipe that helped make mine cheers bud

#66 by zig, Aug 29. 2016, 14:46

thanks Maurice,i made 120 ml today

#67 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 29. 2016, 15:25

You are welcome zig, welcome to this little club we seem to have formed.

#68 by Carolyn, Sep 23. 2016, 00:59

Thanks for the delicious ADV Maurice. Tweaked the VG/PG ratios due to my bases on hand, excellent.

#69 by Maurice Pudlo, Sep 23. 2016, 01:41

I'm glad you enjoy it Carolyn.

#70 by noshadowkick, Oct 19. 2016, 17:54

Just mixed up a 50/50 9mg batch for my MTL tanks. Very much looking forward to trying this in a few weeks. I'll report back!

#71 by peterk1, Oct 23. 2016, 05:13

A truly remarkable juice. Surprising that it needs a one day steep since it is basically just two flavors, but have found that it does mellow after 4 days and gets really good at about a week. Nice thick tobacco/pipe flavor with great body and nice bite. One of my favorites.

#72 by peterk1, Oct 23. 2016, 05:14

whoops...should have been "surprising that it needs a 1 week steep".

#73 by Maurice Pudlo, Oct 23. 2016, 17:54

The Recipe calls for 2 weeks steep time, if you can let it go for 6 weeks you will realize the fully mature flavor. This is mainly due to the Black Honey flavor, the Bavarian Cream alone is best after a week.

If I could suggest anything it would be to make a small companion batch, say a 5 or 10ml and stash it away till it is 6 weeks old. When you try that deep steeped version compare it to any version that has not been around so long to see just how the recipe matures over time.

It is a very smooth and satisfying e-liquid at that point, and most certainly worth the effort to plan ahead so you can always have fully steeped on hand.

After the 6 week mark there isn't going to be much change in the flavor profile, up to that point it is still maturing. I have not found any steeping method that accelerates the steeping process of this recipe. Not ultrasonic, not foaming, not heat, just good old time works best.

I'm very happy people seem to enjoy this as much as they do. Thank you to each and every person who has tried it.

Maurice

#74 by Maurice Pudlo, Oct 23. 2016, 18:52

For those who want a quick calculator for the date you might want to use a steeped mix, say if you like a mix that is 16 days steeped or 42 or anything really; try www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html

#75 by noshadowkick, Nov 2. 2016, 14:31

Two weeks in and I'm very much enjoying this. Maurice, you've done good work here! I wish I'd made a bigger batch than 30ml because I'm almost halfway through it after just three days of vaping. Mixing a 100ml tonight! I'm going to try very hard to let the rest of my bottle sit for a while so I can get a sense for the fully developed flavor.

#76 by Maurice Pudlo, Nov 2. 2016, 15:19

Thank you for reporting back noshadowkick, I've started making 120ml batches myself to insure I have it on hand at all times. Enjoy.

#77 by Shane, Feb 20. 2017, 02:03

Screwed up the EM wasn't watching, so added another .5 grams of each of Black Honey & Bavarian Cream to a 70/30 3 mg 30ml bottle, fingers crossed, thanks for the recipe;)

#78 by Aleman, Feb 28. 2017, 13:50

Had to sub with Lorann Bavarian Cream as my usual sources were out of stock on TPA when I ordered. I let it go for 3-1/2 weeks with a few tastings in between. Didn't much like it up till now where it has come in nicely! A nice light tobacco and honey vape. I have the TPA Bavarian now so I'll make some up without subs. Going to go ahead and make some larger quantities of this one. This recipe really illustrates the changes that you can get from steeping, a complete change in character with this juice. Thanks Maurice!

#79 by noshadowkick, Mar 1. 2017, 22:00

Anyone ever had experience with this recipe coming out harsh? I've ADV'd this for pretty much 6 months and it's been great every time but the most recent batch I made hurts my throat like crazy. I usually let it steep for at least 10 days before vaping and even at 2 weeks its still messing me up. I'm at a loss.

#80 by johndobry, Mar 7. 2017, 22:46

thanks for this recipe, mate. so far been vaping just single tobacco aromas and wanted to have something more sophisticated. today mixed your recipe 10ml to give it a try. as a shake and vape i feel that bavarian cream is everwhelming eveyrthing in this liquid. i am not saying that this is bad but very very sweet and intense. I'll let it steep for 3-4 weeks and will try again. maybe lowering aroma input will have better effect? i always cut down recipes with ~20% of aroma share to max 10%...

#81 by Aleman, Mar 8. 2017, 03:22

Dang man, everyone says this needs to steep and it is absolutely true with this juice :)
Hope you like it when it's ready. I love it and have 120ml steeping right now.

#82 by ihidalgo, Mar 19. 2017, 02:16

Guys I made this recipe with some little changes and steeped it for 2 weeks, but I experienced a bad dry throat feeling. Could someone help me out since I am new in making e-juice? maybe you need the changes I made as well. So, I made it 12mg NIC (I have tried other juices with same and higher NIC and I had no problem) and 70vg/30pg.

#83 by peterk1, Mar 19. 2017, 02:37

This is actually a very smooth tasting recipe, there really shouldn't be anything harsh especially after 2 weeks steep. I would recheck your measurements - especially those "little changes". Too much nic and/or too much Black Honey may give you what you have. Also, try doing >1 bottle at a time - that will let you know if your measures were off in one bottle or if it's a recipe problem.

#84 by ihidalgo, Mar 19. 2017, 12:50

Thank you @peterk1. I can say i'm quite sure with the measurements and exact amounts, but as you said, it could be the NIC that I've heard high nic could make you feeling dry throat sometimes. Anyway, I was thinking to amend this liquid by making same amount nic-free and 70pg/30vg and mix them together. I have a question here, is there any problem to mix a steeped liquid with a fresh one and let it steep again?
any recommendation?

#85 by Mohe, Mar 21. 2017, 16:13

Can i sub the cotton candy with sweetener suclaros ? Or sweet cream by Capella? Caramel tfa may be?

#86 by Maurice Pudlo, Mar 21. 2017, 19:13

r.hidalgo,
You can use a bit of older liquid in combination with a fresh mix to help pre-steep. In my opinion it still needs the entire steep time mentioned in the recipe though. Very deep steeping (over a year) is a really interesting experience, obviously it takes some level of restraint to leave a mix alone that long but I suggest people at least try it.

The dryness you experience could be from any number of things; to identify exactly what it is that makes you feel this I suggest mixing the individual flavors in a VG:PG blend that you usually use, in this case doing so at 5% would show you exactly what that flavoring alone is doing.

As for the alterations you made, the 70pg/30vg is going to come with an added throat hit (harshness if you will). This might be the source of dryness you are getting, and why I mix at 50:50. Blending this recipe at high vg ratios is going to result in a more muted flavor, the more vg the more the flavor is muted.

Mohe,
The cotton candy is not the same as sweetener, sweet cream, or caramel. If you use any of these, do so in very small percentages, especially the caramel which can be overwhelming after a good steep.

That said you are more than welcome to try any of those, I've played with tfa peanut butter at 0.5% here lately and have been enjoying the experience, I may even drop it to 0.35%-0.4% Others have added tobacco flavors to boost that aspect of this mix, so please explore anything you like and do report back if you discover something wonderful.

I am so pleased this recipe is seeing as much attention as it is, thank you to everyone who has ever chimed in and commented, you all make my day every time I get a notification.

#87 by ihidalgo, Mar 22. 2017, 13:57

Thank you @Maurice Pudlo, I actually changed/modified the liquid to the original parameters. Fingers crossed!, I will write here the result. This is awesome to have people like you who are trying to educate others like me. Thank you for your respond. Cheers

#88 by Maurice Pudlo, Mar 22. 2017, 21:16

Not a problem at all, just keep in mind that steep time is critical. I know a few people are mixing and vaping it right away but it truly needs at least 2 weeks to BEGIN to taste the way it should. If you can give it 4 weeks it will be about at a flavor point where a few days either way aren't going to matter much. As I mentioned above, a year in and it is a different animal, so changes do still happen with time but it slows down a whole lot.

Because this recipe uses Black Honey Tobacco (Black Honey) a notoriously long steep time ingredient and Bavarian Cream which also needs a long steep time the combination is just not going to come out as it should any earlier. I've tried everything from cap and wait to ultrasonic mixing, time is best. I do shake my mixes up from time to time now, though not really on a schedule.

I'm usually working with 30 or so 60 ml bottles in rotation, at times there are as many different mixes on the shelf as there are bottles. So in effect I have more than a couple months of e-liquid ready to go in rotation at any one time. This keeps me from dipping into the stuff that needs time to develop. I like custards and tobaccos, so it's just a part of the deal.

When you try your newest mix, if it isn't as good as you imagined, just put it back on the shelf and visit it again in 2 weeks, you may or may like it better then. If you get to the 6 week mark and just aren't liking it I can only say that everyone has different tastes.

Back when I posted this recipe I was using mechanical mods, I run regulated these days and have been vaping this at just under 100w on a RDA stuffed with dual 22g kanthal 3mm ID coils at 0.21Ω. I do still have the Pulse G and Sillare and running this e-liquid in those at the original Ω does produce a different experience. All that said, if you play with different coils or settings on a regulated mod, you should be able to get an experience that suits your own taste.

If you are looking for a more tobacco forward taste, at least one of the folks that have replied here have added tobacco flavorings to this recipe, I have too, 4.25% Black Honey, 4.25% Bavarian Cream, 0.5% Turkish, and 0.05% EM (cotton candy) and 3-4+ weeks is nice in my opinion.

You could sub in marshmallow for the EM (cotton candy) if you still find it is too dry, it will change the flavor a bit though.

#89 by Maurice Pudlo, Mar 22. 2017, 21:16

Not a problem at all, just keep in mind that steep time is critical. I know a few people are mixing and vaping it right away but it truly needs at least 2 weeks to BEGIN to taste the way it should. If you can give it 4 weeks it will be about at a flavor point where a few days either way aren't going to matter much. As I mentioned above, a year in and it is a different animal, so changes do still happen with time but it slows down a whole lot.

Because this recipe uses Black Honey Tobacco (Black Honey) a notoriously long steep time ingredient and Bavarian Cream which also needs a long steep time the combination is just not going to come out as it should any earlier. I've tried everything from cap and wait to ultrasonic mixing, time is best. I do shake my mixes up from time to time now, though not really on a schedule.

I'm usually working with 30 or so 60 ml bottles in rotation, at times there are as many different mixes on the shelf as there are bottles. So in effect I have more than a couple months of e-liquid ready to go in rotation at any one time. This keeps me from dipping into the stuff that needs time to develop. I like custards and tobaccos, so it's just a part of the deal.

When you try your newest mix, if it isn't as good as you imagined, just put it back on the shelf and visit it again in 2 weeks, you may or may like it better then. If you get to the 6 week mark and just aren't liking it I can only say that everyone has different tastes.

Back when I posted this recipe I was using mechanical mods, I run regulated these days and have been vaping this at just under 100w on a RDA stuffed with dual 22g kanthal 3mm ID coils at 0.21Ω. I do still have the Pulse G and Sillare and running this e-liquid in those at the original Ω does produce a different experience. All that said, if you play with different coils or settings on a regulated mod, you should be able to get an experience that suits your own taste.

If you are looking for a more tobacco forward taste, at least one of the folks that have replied here have added tobacco flavorings to this recipe, I have too, 4.25% Black Honey, 4.25% Bavarian Cream, 0.5% Turkish, and 0.05% EM (cotton candy) and 3-4+ weeks is nice in my opinion.

You could sub in marshmallow for the EM (cotton candy) if you still find it is too dry, it will change the flavor a bit though.

#90 by Shane, Apr 15. 2017, 20:54

@Fuat abi that all depends on your mod or tank and has nothing to do with the recipes;)

#91 by lolwtf, May 15. 2017, 21:34

I hate to be that guy, and I won't give this a bad rating, but I think this recipe tastes like urine. Mine has steeped a little over two weeks and I guess I just don't like TFA Black Honey. =(

#92 by boobaloo, May 18. 2017, 00:11

to counter comment #93 I am the guy that will give 5 stars because after 16 days this recipe is simply AWESOME! Good job and thank you very much!!!

#93 by Ferhat, Jul 29. 2017, 12:06

#1 by Ferhat, today, at 11:01
I just made 30ml but after first taste I put all in sink! I have ever seen like that horrible taste ! I do everything exactly same as recipe I don't know what is wrong because all reviews says very good that is why I do this liquid but I just get sick when I try first

#94 by Geb, Aug 5. 2017, 08:48

@Ferhat - did you read any of the recipe notes or any of the comments? I count at least a dozen times where it says "this recipe NEEDS A LONG STEEP". I don't know how you could mix it, taste right after mixing and then say it tastes like shit. It has to steep first THEN you taste.

#95 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 5. 2017, 17:58

lolwtf, I see that you have used other honey flavorings, perhaps you might substitute the combination you seem to prefer ie.: honeysuckle (tfa) 1.5% and honey (fa) 0.1%. If you do, please report back on your thoughts, I am curious and always enjoy finding a way to reduce flavoring percentages.

#96 by DonTolisG83, Aug 22. 2017, 12:15

Greetings maurice and good job with the recipe.i have this prob:i make the liquid is in the first week of steeping but i dont have any flavor.the ingredietnts i use is:15 ml of 50/50 nicotine 12mg 1,5 ml of black honey 1,5 ml of bavarian and 0,5 ml cotton and 7,5 ml vg and 7,5 ml pgto make nicotine strenth 6mg.so maybe i do it something wrong?first time i make a liquid.waitng for ur response and sorry for my bad englidh

#97 by DonTolisG83, Aug 22. 2017, 12:31

0,15ml cotton not 0,5

#98 by DonTolisG83, Aug 22. 2017, 14:54

Also i use mello 3 mini if u say something to you

#99 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 22. 2017, 16:56

For you to make this recipe at 6mg/ml you need to use

15ml (50/50 12mg nicotine)
1.5ml Bavarian Cream
1.5ml Black Honey Tobacco
0.15ml Cotton Candy
4.35ml PG
7.5ml VG

You used more PG in your mix than is needed.

#100 by DonTolisG83, Aug 22. 2017, 17:45

Yes i know for pg so i just waiting for steeping to have a good flavor in inhale right?i tried also steeping with warm water is it good or not?

#101 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 22. 2017, 20:00

Yes, put it away, let it steep for as long as you can. In my opinion it can take as long as 6 weeks to be completely done. Warm water, ultrasound, and all the fancy fast steep methods just do not work for the Black Honey Tobacco flavor from TFA, time seems to be the only way to get this recipe right.

In the meantime enjoy some shake and vape recipes.

The e-liquid will start to take on a reddish color as it nears completion, that's when you can enjoy it the most.

#102 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 22. 2017, 20:14

I do not have a melo 3 mini so I can't exactly say if it is the best choice for this e-liquid, I suggest going with the 0.5Ω could though, unless they have something closer to 1.0-1.5Ω.

I know that in my Avocado RTDA 0.3Ω is more heat at 35w than I can enjoy for this particular recipe.

I know this recipe takes a long time to be its very best, but it is worth it in my opinion.

#103 by DonTolisG83, Aug 22. 2017, 20:28

Tnx maurice for fast answer melo 3 is 0.03 ohm so its ok

#104 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 22. 2017, 20:45

No problem, if you like it when it's finished steeping please let me know, I like to hear from people who have tried this recipe even if they don't like it.

#105 by peterk1, Aug 22. 2017, 21:07

...and for those of you who are really impatient like me, I find that this recipe starts to taste really good after 2 days or so. Maybe a tiny bit harsher than usual, but that's OK. This is one of my "fast tobacco" mixes.

#106 by Lazu, Aug 24. 2017, 13:26

Hello, can I use Marshmallow instead Cotton candy?

#107 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 24. 2017, 15:47

Marshmallow flavoring is different than cotton candy in several ways, you will get a different outcome than the original recipe.

In my opinion it would be worth a shot to substitute marshmallow for cotton candy at the same percentage in something small like a 30 to 60ml batch to see how it turns out. At least till you get some cotton candy on hand to try that out too.

If you prefer one over the other I'm perfectly happy that this recipe helped you find something you enjoy.

Thank you so much for your interest in this recipe.

#108 by Lazu, Aug 24. 2017, 16:30

thank you so much for the reply, I just ordered everything and I'm gonna made 200 ml of this juice(1-month rest) I will let you know what will come of it

#109 by Lazu, Sep 2. 2017, 19:12

after 5 days all I can say is amazing recipe :)!

#110 by Maurice Pudlo, Sep 4. 2017, 18:10

Thank you, it gets even better if you just put it away for a while.

#111 by Geb, Sep 4. 2017, 20:26

Just ordered black honey so I can try this recipe. I've never been into tobaccos (other than RY4s) but I have tried a few tobacco-ish commercial juices that were pretty good (from what I can remember). judging by the comments this looks to be a love it or hate kind of recipe. still it's really easy to mix so why not try it? this one is a deep steeper so will come back in a few months with thoughts. thanks for sharing.

#112 by DonTolisG83, Sep 6. 2017, 12:10

Maurice one word for liquid:psychedelic i love it 4weeks steeping and some days i put bottle in warm water and still going to good flavors and aroma tnx very much to share with us

#113 by Maurice Pudlo, Sep 6. 2017, 14:34

The whole deep steep thing does change the character of this liquid, as a whole it smooths out and the Bavarian cream really becomes special in a way that is hard to describe. The black honey tobacco has always needed something to bring that honey thickness and density of flavor, Bavarian cream and cotton candy do just that, but not as well early on in the steeping process.

Thank you all

#114 by Geb, Jan 8. 2018, 05:07

Mixed this about a week ago and tasted today. very different from what I usually vape but really good already. was not sure what to expect given some of the comments, but I like it. I'm already getting some of the honey. can't wait to try it again when it's fully steeped. I've never had a juice go from pretty good that steeped into a bad juice - generally they get better. so I'll give it 5 stars at the one week mark. thanks for sharing it.

#115 by NicotineRush, Jan 19. 2018, 13:23

Very nice! (50/50 4mg 10 weeks)
I now need to use 100% VG for all my juice. Any thoughts on 100% VG for this recipe Maurice?
Thanks

#116 by Maurice Pudlo, Jan 19. 2018, 20:17

My initial thoughts are that you should make a one shot flavoring mix with 1.4ml EM, 14.3ml Bavarian Cream, and 14.3ml Black Honey Tobacco, that combination totals 30ml and can be used at any percentage you feel might work best.

In my opinion I would try it out as is, atomizer technology is better these days and you might not need additional flavoring at all. If you do I suspect it will be in the 12 to 13 percent range on the high end, I doubt you will need to go any higher than that.

I need to order some more flavorings myself I just ran out of everything to make this so I'm off to place my order. I'm going to make my next batch with nicotine salts, I understand that form of nicotine is smoother and I like smooth.

Have a great day everyone,
Maurice

#117 by Septiembre, Jan 29. 2018, 04:28

Me gusta mucho esta receta, el Black honey por si solo no me gusta pero en esta mezcla y con un 3% de nicotina, me parece que sabe genial.

#118 by Maurice Pudlo, Jan 29. 2018, 16:11

Muchas gracias, estoy feliz de que te guste.

#119 by Maurice Pudlo, Feb 16. 2018, 04:44

@NicotineRush I just finished a batch of MAX VG at the normal percentages in the original recipe. It's great!

#120 by FinalOK, Apr 7. 2018, 00:42

I made 90ml and try it in one week i can say that is very good and sweet for me cant wait to retry second week.Thanks for the recipe is going to be my ADV!P.S I tested in kaifun v5 clone.

#121 by KumariHPX, Jun 3. 2018, 04:19

O.M.G. This so effing good! Reminiscent of Backwoods Honey cigars -- a little dry, may try some MM, but Goodness, may be my new ADV -Its sooooooo mild and smoooooooooooth. WOW Thanks!

#122 by Frank1e, Jun 17. 2018, 00:16

My ADV. 10/10.

#123 by BardofEast, Jun 23. 2018, 19:02

Awesome mix, my favorite all time recipe and ADV.
Thank you!

#124 by NankeSupra, Jun 23. 2018, 20:34

This recipe sounds amazing, badly wanna try it but can someone help me with what the measurements will be, if I DONT wanna add nicotine? Also can I use 70/30 VG/PG?

#125 by Maurice Pudlo, Jul 2. 2018, 20:03

NankeSupra If you prefer no nicotine in a 30 ml mix at 70/30 it'll be 1.5 ml of black honey tobacco, 1.5 ml of Bavarian cream, and 0.5 of cotton candy, then 21 ml of vg, and finally 5.5 ml of pg.

#126 by NankeSupra, Jul 2. 2018, 21:39

Maurice, thanks for the comment. I’m sure it will taste the same, right!? Sounds bloody delicious.

#127 by Maurice Pudlo, Jul 2. 2018, 21:46

It will turn out just fine, the taste will be slightly sweeter than a 50/50 mix and less sweet than a max vg blend. The span between those is not huge so you will not likely perceive much flavor difference though. If you prefer 70/30 in other liquids you will be best served going that route with this recipe too. Thanks for taking interest in this recipe.

#128 by NankeSupra, Jul 6. 2018, 14:44

Finally got everything ready to mix this. But my question now is, how does the steeping work? Shake-a-day? Store in dark place? Hot water? I don’t have fancy steeping things.

#129 by Maurice Pudlo, Jul 6. 2018, 17:02

No need to get all complicated with steeping this, you can do exactly what you mentioned which is shake every so often, storage of your e-liquids should be away from direct light particularly if the container is clear, the hot water bath thing can help temporarily reduce the viscosity of mixes that use a high percentage of VG.

As for how steeping works...it's similar to how a stew on the second day is generally better than directly after having been cooked. E-liquid just has a much longer shelf life and doesn't need to go in the fridge. I believe there is some effect to taste brought on by certain molecules exposure to oxygen, for others there are pH changes that effect the flavor. As for exactly why this recipe needs steeping on a molecular level I can only say, let it go at least two weeks...more is better...

When making e-liquids that need steeping you are really thinking about what you will be using a month or so in the future, if you are making a new e-liquid that you aren't sure of, this recipe for example, make another one you are sure you enjoy just in case, that way if you don't like the new one you are not short on juice. If you find the new recipe is a good one for your taste, your known good recipe will be there for you steeping away.

#130 by chinolofus, Aug 1. 2018, 12:30

sorry didnt like it at all

#131 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 1. 2018, 13:19

Thank you for trying it though.

#132 by chinolofus, Aug 1. 2018, 16:09

Thanks for posting it. I might just not like that tobacco. Its the only time i ever used it.

#133 by Vasilis, Aug 4. 2018, 10:27

I love it! Thanx for sharing this recipe with us.

#134 by Maurice Pudlo, Aug 6. 2018, 16:17

You are very welcome, thank you for taking the time to reply with your opinion on the recipe, I truly appreciate it.

#135 by NankeSupra, Oct 7. 2018, 19:13

Hi.
So I tried it, 70/30 PG/VG, no nicotine. Also used a Smok V8 stick. Been bottled for 3 months now, for me it tastes a bit bland. Not sure how I can improve it.

#136 by Al Che Mist, Oct 28. 2018, 16:28

Awesome!

#137 by e-cardo, Dec 14. 2018, 17:54

do you think bavarian cream could be replaced for sweet cream? tnx

#138 by Balakay, Dec 21. 2018, 02:19

I didn't think this was special at first, but I forgot about it for 4 months and now it's terrific! Thank you, Maurice!

#139 by mitsos, Dec 22. 2018, 09:18

Amazing !!!

#140 by Ciccio1, Dec 29. 2018, 22:34

very nice recipe, simile and amazing

#141 by NankeSupra, Feb 5. 2019, 20:55

Tried it and like I said 7 October 2018. It is blad for me BUT looks like I didn’t decrease my VG, since it was impossible since I bought a pre-mix PG/VG. Will need to buy them separately and then I’m gonna retry it. Just need some advice on steeping? I tend to shake and store in a dark place...don’t have a candle heat plate and all that jazz.

#142 by The professor, Sep 19. 2019, 18:52

i did make 10ml to try this, i add fw sweetener instead of cotton candy, well come back after week or 2 of steeping to let you know my thoughts
thank you for sharing

#143 by Monotom, Apr 7. 2020, 08:01

I'm making this juice for some time now but never came back to rate it 5 stars. That's corrected now.

#144 by Huxxel, Oct 23. 2020, 14:25

I cant give this less then 5 stars.
The tast is more like a sweet tobacco with honey
and it is so simpel with only 2 notes.
I started with a 30 ml and made it 30-08-2020. and now after 2.4 monthes I deied it to try it.
and im telling you man, this one is a ADV and a keeper for me.
thx for sharing

#145 by longtom, Apr 7. 2023, 13:06

I bought the black honey tobacco only for this recipe and was not disappointed, I would give 4.5 Stars but rounded up to 5. A really nice change to all the RY4 recipes out there (which I don't like as much as most people). In future I might try another version with a little bitof a stronger tobacco added. Thank you for sharing!