Food Fighter's Crack Pie Clone (Latest) 

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Gravatar - by Silhouette , Jul 8. 2017, 21:42

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Nicotine juice ()

PG dilutant

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Water/Vodka/PGA

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Suggested steep time: 10 days

Strength: mg
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Notes
This version made: April 17, 2017/Edited May 2022 (Changed Marshmallow to OOO Marshmallow Vanilla, increased Caramel Toffee, slight increase to AP, removed FA Cream, added OOO Powdered Sugar (Using Cereal 27 to replace AP has also been good, but later bottles of Crack Pie have increased AP in them, more than the formula from 2014-2017)

Using 30/70, Crack Pie is 20/80 for PG/VG
Latest Batch Steeped: 3 Months

Older Notes/2017
*Used Dannick's recipe on Le DIY Pour Les Nuls as a starting point, then some changes to his recipe on ELR. After a year of different flavors, I have finally gotten this as close as it can be. *

I know the percentages need to be tweaked, but Speckled Flakes (OOO) is the main proponent of the actual recipe, and Hangsen Caramel Toffee is the Caramel used in actual recipe. It has taken so long to figure out the condensed Caramel flavor, and I have been through a year of testing caramels to find it. This recipe is the absolute closest version, and couldn't have been done without Dannick (now Frosty) realizing that Speckled Flakes was the base flavor, his recipes were invaluable to figuring out further flavors so I have to recognize his efforts to make this clone. I'm not convinced the real version uses Salted Caramel, the flavors differ wildly than the rich and milky, condensed flavor that the original has. Saline gives the salty aspect without changing the base flavor.

The Hangsen Caramel Toffee is like a sweet, condensed milk type Caramel and a very unique flavor, not like any other Caramel that I have bought to date. There is a mallowy flavor I have yet to fully nail down, so for now I am using Marshmallow. This is the closest version of Crack Pie I have made or found to date, and I will keep on trying to perfect it further. Had to add AP and Saline in drops in differing amounts over time to get it right, so I have not added them as percentages. I ordered Caramel Toffee on a whim, and have made so many recipes with it lately as it really makes tobacco flavors pop as well.

Edit 10/20/2017
You can add 0.50% Powdered Sugar (OOO) to make this more authentic, as its one of the listed flavors for Crack Pie, and it does taste much closer to authentic Crack Pie, but it is not really necessary. I have found that as long as the base flavors are correct for Crack Pie, it's still a flavorful yum-fest. The Powdered Sugar does give it that extra boost of sweetness and mouthfeel though. Up to you!



Comments
#1 by Silhouette , Jul 8. 2017, 21:51
Finally added AP in percentage to recipe instead of drops.
#2 by GalacticResidue, Jul 14. 2017, 07:20
Don't you love it when you get a crap rating from some with no recipes. My new pet peave lol
#3 by Silhouette , Jul 14. 2017, 07:26
I know right, they don't even have Speckled Flakes in their stash, that's ok because everyone has their opinions. Only, this takes at least a 2 week steep, so doubt it was even tried. I should know, this latest version has steeped 3 months.
#4 by GalacticResidue, Jul 14. 2017, 19:16
lol I'll agree with you before anyone else! Talk to you later! ๐Ÿ˜‰
#5 by robin, Aug 27. 2017, 19:44
I love this recipe. I ordered the caramel toffee flavor based on your recipes. Its outstanding. Thank you
#6 by Silhouette , Aug 27. 2017, 21:05
Thanks Robin ๐Ÿ˜ƒ This recipe took forever, I'm just glad I could finally get it out for anyone who enjoyed Crack Pie. Their flavor description was rather misleading, that's probably what made finding the flavors so darn difficult. I'm glad ya like it, this is definitely one of my faves.
#7 by Vin, Sep 1. 2017, 16:50
I need to try this... absolutely loved Crack Pie!
#8 by Silhouette , Sep 1. 2017, 23:28
I did too, it was my favorite! It was so unique tasting, that's what made it awesome (and hard to clone). The cool thing is the ingredients like Caramel Toffee and Speckled Flakes can make a variety of awesome mixes, Speckled Flakes is a really great cereal flavor on it's own. If you try this, look on the resources page, there is a 25% of code for One on One flavors to bump down the price on Speckled Flakes (unless you already have it). Hope ya enjoy!
#9 by Penelope, Oct 22. 2017, 23:36
Does speckled flakes taste similiar to cereal 27 by chance? I have caramel toffee on the way and I really want to make this recipe and several others of yours. A lot of your recipes look scrumptious!
#10 by Silhouette , Oct 23. 2017, 02:45
Thanks Penelope! They don't taste similar at all, Cereal 27 is more like a corn grain/flake taste, while Speckled Flakes is pretty unique. I haven't really tried a flavor that tastes similar to it actually, it's a cereal grain, but it has a powdered sugar, slight frosted touch that I just haven't tasted in any other cereal flavor. I would have to say the closest flavor to it would have to be TPA Sweet Cereal Flakes, just a bit weaker than Speckled. One on One is definitely a little more on the pricey side, but if you ever want to try, click on the resources button above and you can find a code for 25% to use there. One bottle is definitely worth the few bucks!
#11 by Silhouette , Oct 23. 2017, 02:47
Here we go:
One on One Flavors - American flavoring company. Get 25% off using the code: eliquidrecipes-25
#12 by Penelope, Oct 24. 2017, 04:05
Thank you! I just bought a big bottle of cereal 27 for a creamy corn cake recipe that I'm addicted to. I do have speckled flakes on my shopping list. I did look on ooo website to find a description. I heard a bit of torrone and meringue will make a powdered sugar taste if you don't have powdered sugar. I've never tried it though. I'm going to try cereal 27 for a sub until I order speckled flakes because this looks delicious! I know it won't be the same. Thanks so much for sharing your recipes!
#13 by Silhouette , Oct 28. 2017, 20:43
Penelope, I've made this so many times and to me, I don't think the powdered sugar is super necessary. I mean it would shift it a little closer to authentic, but then again the taste is such a light difference. I like it just as good without. Let me know how it turns out with Cereal 27, I would just lower the percentage a little than what I have for Speckled Flakes.
#14 by Penelope, Oct 29. 2017, 05:42
Thank you! I will let you know. I'm making it tomorrow.
#15 by Tygger420, Nov 21. 2017, 04:16
It is so close,you did an amazing job i cant for the life of me know how you figured out some of the flavors.congratz.loving every tank of it.only thing i didnt put in was the saline.what does that do can i ask.
#16 by Silhouette , Nov 21. 2017, 04:28
Ha, it took over a year, and I never would have figured out Speckled Flakes being the base grain if not for Dannick. The Saline is only to give a slight salty flavor to the Caramel Toffee, and add that moisture that Crack Pie has, that mellow creaminess along with the high grain flavor. It's certainly OK to leave it out, it only takes away a tiny portion to the recipe, but as long as you have the base flavors there, it's totally workable. I'm glad you enjoyed it, that makes me happy as hell. ๐Ÿ˜‰
#17 by Tygger420, Nov 22. 2017, 05:12
My wife does Dialysis so i have a bunch of prefilled saline syringes and im going to try it next batch,ive been following you for along time sense the first recipe on the french site i have made both and this one by far is just amazing ,The only thing i did diff is of course its not sweet(lol) enough i added super sweet from cap i think 1.5%.I have a feeling i will be vaping this for years to come.
#18 by Silhouette , Nov 22. 2017, 21:37
I add Super Sweet as well, I just don't add it to the recipe as a percentage because everyone has such different ideas for sweetener. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I usually add 1-2 drops per 30ml recipes, unless it's one that is inherently sweet.
#19 by Tygger420, Jan 17. 2018, 04:43
Hey Hey Made a 240 ML bottle on Dec 4th and i have about 30ml left ,i do vape a couple other things at a time.But i got to say i will never buy crack pie again matter of fact ive been vaping this so much this is it,I cannot thank you enough for all the work you have done over the past year or two,the company couldnt have done as well .Yes i said it ,its better than C pie.Ever thought about raging donut? lolol.i like every flavor they have and theres not another company out there i can say that about.So to wrap this up just wanted to stop by and praise you.Its perfect absolutely perfect.have a nice day.Clint
#20 by Silhouette , Jan 17. 2018, 19:16
Wow thanks Tygger! That's the best recipe compliment I could possibly hope to get. As for Raging Donut, I actually made something that tasted really similar purely by accident. I was making a Cereal Recipe called Rubble Stones which uses RF Fruit Pebbles, Cherry, Orange, Lemon and a few other flavors and it came out really similar. Raging Donut always had this almost bubble gum like Flavor to me, but now I'm sure it was the Cherry and Fruit Pebbles together. I could certainly work on it to try and see how I close I can get though. And thanks for your awesome words! ๐Ÿ˜†
#21 by Tygger420, Jan 19. 2018, 17:44
If you have the time and the energy please do ,have you tried many flavors from OOO,Im interested in there maple donut but to do that i will have to buy one of there one shots.Made up a 200ml bottle last night of Crack pie was alittle short on speckled flakes and GCC so could only do 200ml but there again im hooked and hooked bad LoL.Sorry rambling.Working on a maple donut recipe so back to work.have a great day and let me know any developments on the raging.
#22 by BrettJersey, Feb 7. 2018, 21:03
This has been my first attempt at mixing and my love of Crack Pie drove me to start honestly lol question for the pros is should I be steeping some of these (using heated 30 min timed ultrasonic) flavors separately so I don't mute others? Steep the nic/vg/pg and Graham Cracker clear first for hour or two then add rest and continue steeping? I don't seem to be nailing the flavor down 100% And it could be because I just started, but I taste the potential! Would never ever have guests some of these flavors so thank you so much! That speckled flakes cereal alone is crack LMAO
#23 by Silhouette , Feb 7. 2018, 21:37
You don't have to steep the flavors separately, unless you really want to. This recipe, for whatever reason seems to benefit from a 1+ month steep. It is pretty good early on, but it definitely gains a more authentic flavor after shelving. One thing that brings this much closer is the Powdered Sugar OOO, especially when added at 0.25-0.5%, I chose to leave it out as a percentage because it's not a common flavor, and wanted people to enjoy the mix even if they didn't have it. I haven't used an ultrasonic on this recipe as it just seemed to benefit from time.
#24 by Tygger420, Feb 7. 2018, 23:45
I agree it mixes very well It really kinda just naturally blends,Ive seen flavors seperate after using my mixer and it emulsifies it.I think Silh you just really took the time to use the correct flavors and if you do they work,I took a class ,micro mixing and people would be amazed what works and you would never think it would.
#25 by BrettJersey, Feb 8. 2018, 05:50
Thanks so much for the help, I feel like I am doing a disservice to your hard work and recipe perfection by not getting it perfect myself ๐Ÿ˜‚ Dishonoring the creator haha and yeah powdered sugar really seem to cut some of the sharper flavors without muting them. I can't imagine it being a real term but everything feels "softer" with the OOO Powdered Sugar
#26 by Tygger420, Feb 8. 2018, 16:34
Brett wow i havent been using the pwdered sugar but im going to pick it up,and no disservice i think you get ten people in a room to make same recipe and they will all basically do it diffrent lol,If we didnt have people like silhouette that would spend a year on one recipe we would be vaping criss cross if you guys know that brand it cost like a nickle for 30 mls but god only knows whats floating in it.that is interesting though pre-steeping hmmm thanks brett got an idea,ill be back
#27 by Tygger420, Feb 8. 2018, 16:38
Hey silh you still thinking of doing to raging donut?I seen one recipe on the french site but wow really.like 15 flavorings,Question what does billaberry taste like?anyways if you do decide i will help in any way i can bottom line ill follow you through vape hell and back.
#28 by BrettJersey, Feb 9. 2018, 05:55
Sorry (not sorry) to bring up a non ejuice topic but OOO makes a snow cone syrup of speckled flakes. I'm seriously debating, when it starts warming up outside, breaking out the ninja blender to make shaved ice and just add some rum lmao... You're welcome ๐Ÿ˜‡
#29 by Silhouette , Feb 9. 2018, 22:55
That sounds insane! I would love to try that. Tygger, I think I've got the jist of flavors for it, just not certain on the Donut aspect of Raging Donut. I know it's the FA Black Cherry together with Orange and Lemon that gives it that distinct fruit flavor, almost like a Bubblegum, and the flavor seemed much closer when I used RF Fruit Pebbles. I'm really unsure of the Donut though. I know it's not CAP, I would have tasted that in there for sure, maybe I could buy FA Wow and try that. That's assuming Donut was an actual flavor, their descriptions are quite misleading.
#30 by Niko, May 6. 2018, 07:40
Dannick here(Changed my name) Can't wait to try this! I'm glad you continued trying because I gave up a long time ago!
#31 by Silhouette , May 6. 2018, 21:36
It was a pain in the butt to be honest. I figured out the Caramel Toffee purely by accident, ordered it and as soon as I smelled it knew it was the main flavor in Crack Pie. The only part I'm unsure of is the Marshmallow, I know it taste in there, so I'm using FA for it, although if I had to guess, I'm pretty sure the original uses a OOO Marshmallow, probably Marshmallow (Vanilla). As far as the recipe, FA works pretty good as a stand in. PUR Marshmallow also works well, and is a fantastic mallowy flavor.
#32 by BrettJersey, May 7. 2018, 06:35
Omg Can't wait to try Marshmallow from OOO instead!! Also I've been using salted caramel in place of the caramel toffee because honestly I think the one I got (from NicRiver) must be spoiled/gone bad or something. Everything is just so freaking perfect on your list that it can't be the flavor itself, just the one I got (may have been sitting a long time since its such a hidden gem!). I do use an Ultrasonic Cleaner for steeping, but even the original batches I made months ago and naturally steeped still have the terrible chemical taste:( Will reorder it from a different website (even though every other flavor was great from NicRiver btw) just to be sure. Super excited.Thanks so much for both your hard work on such an amazing clone. This has been my ADV for the last few months, seriously!!! Which site/supplier did you get your Hangsen Caramel Toffee from??
#33 by Silhouette , May 7. 2018, 07:33
Trust me Brett, that's exactly the problem. I happened to get my Hangsen Ry4 from NicRiver when Bull City was out of it, and what I got was yellow and thin, and HS RY4 is supposed to be deep brown with a VG consistency. This wasn't just batch difference, it even tasted really off. Keep in mind Nic River had rebottled, which Bull City doesn't do with HS flavors, they sell 10 & 30ml manufacturers bottles. That's your best bet. Plus, the manufacturer bottles have a born on date, which is helpful.
#34 by Silhouette , May 7. 2018, 07:35
I just checked, it's in stock ๐Ÿ˜€
https://www.bullcityflavors.com/caramel-toffee-hs/
#35 by BrettJersey, May 7. 2018, 09:42
That's absolutely amazing news and thanks so much for the quick reply!! Been making it exact to spec and what's interesting is the large 2 or 4oz OOO SFC is actually a little different than the smaller bottles I got from them direct. Still amazing of course but slightly different. Crazy how we start picking up on the tiny little changes to different manufacturers batches after vaping the same stuff for months on end (for you I'm sure even longer hahah)
#36 by BrettJersey, May 11. 2018, 23:36
I couldn't be more blown away with the difference between the NicRiver Hangsen Caramel Toffee and the Bull City. Got the Marshmallow OOO (amazing btw!) and comparing the two Caramel Toffees is like comparing a Mech Mod to a JUUL. Holy crap. The silkyness of the (REAL) Hangsen is freaking delightful. Thanks so much again for the heads up confirming it was definitely the supplier.
#37 by Silhouette , May 12. 2018, 00:57
I'm so glad to hear you got it! Yeah, I actually said something about it to Nic River, and even showed them my manufacturer bottled RY4 vs their rebottled in pictures, because the difference was crazy, even in taste. I hope you enjoy the recipe with the good Caramel Toffee, it is as close as I could get. It's also a mega versatile flavor, and goes really well with other desserts, graham/cookie mixes, and tobaccos. Let me know how it turns out I'm excited to hear what ya think!
#38 by BrettJersey, May 12. 2018, 01:22
OOO sent Milkshake as sample so we have ourselves a party here at this point ๐Ÿ˜‚
#39 by Silhouette , May 12. 2018, 01:54
๐Ÿ˜ฎ Oh man I bet that's a yumfest, I've never tried their Milkshake flavor.
#40 by Tarek Shalash, Feb 20. 2019, 09:54
Hello Dear, I know its months later but I found your recipe about 3 -4 months ago, thank you so much for it, but I'm running into a problem as all the batches i make and let for steeping has an amazing flavor, but the vape is not smooth at all , it has a peppery uncomfortable draw to it , I let it steep for over a month and still the problem exists , I thought the problem that I have old nicotine, so I bought new nicotine and yesterday I tried the new mix but I still faced the same issue,, In the past I thought the issue is alcohol in some of the flavors so I aired out one of the bottles for couple of hours , but I ended up loosing the flavor and ended up adding more flavor concentrate to be able to vape it,, my issue is not the flavor but it is not smooth as I wish it was, did you face that issue? is it maybe the saline ?! I wish you can help me out
#41 by Silhouette , Feb 21. 2019, 00:05
I'm not sure to be honest, other than trying it simply without Nicotine first. I still use the recipe pretty heavily, only I've dropped my Nicotine down to 1mg in my batches. There are definitely a couple things to try to remedy the harshness you are getting. The Speckled Flakes does in fact have ethanol, so if you find the Nicotine isn't the issue, I would decrease the Speckled Flakes to about 5%, it's a weaker flavor, but it should be fine at 5%. The next thing would be making sure the Saline drops are a simple ingredient blend, such as Ingredients: Water, 0.9% Natural Sea Salt (Isotonic Solution), pH Neutral. The simpler the better. If that doesn't help, it may simply be you are a little sensitive to the ethanol content of the Speckled Flakes, which is perfectly normal. I would try nixing the Nicotine first, and try the blend that way just to rule it out. Also, the saline helps, but definitely isn't necessary for the mix, so if you want to go without it, it would be fine. Hope this helps!
#42 by Tarek Shalash, Feb 21. 2019, 10:10
Thank you so much for the advise, I will try all the above and tell you what happens !
#43 by BrettJersey, Feb 22. 2019, 02:48
Nicotine will be much darker than it once was if it's gone bad (can keep in fridge to prevent that, i buy two bottles and keep one out ready to use in the coldest part of my room and one sealed in fridge), also if its harsh on vape but tastes great maybe take away some PG? If you aren't vaping using a tank can try 90vg/10pg (or 95/5) but I'd max at 80/20 with a tank. Unless it's some sweet amazing wicking tank you use and it's not too cold where you're vaping, otherwise the viscosity will make this rather difficult for anyone in the cold and at 80%vg+ lol. As far as ethanol, you're spot on about letting it sit open. Definitely want to do that with any alcohols, but if you noticed a decline in flavor (usually this is more so with fruity flavors) then I'd just do it for half the time or even a little less but with ethanol you do want it to evaporate. Can also shake, open. Leave for a few days. Shake, open. So it's not releasing all at once. After 30 minutes, shouldn't be seeing too too much decline in these particular flavors (all of them need a good long steep), more so on fruity ones. GL!
#44 by Tarek Shalash, Feb 23. 2019, 11:26
Im really convinced now its the PG , my nicotine is clear like water I don't think its the problem I mixed a batch yesterday with full VG and no nicotine and I will see how it goes and tell you, thank you for the advise
#45 by Silhouette , Feb 23. 2019, 17:37
Hope it gets better for ya. I made this blend 70/30 VG PG strictly to balance my usage a little more, but 80/20 and above still works great. I don't know if you're using an RDA or RTA (or tank), in terms of viscosity. Let me know how it goes!
#46 by MIAY, Aug 14. 2019, 22:50
Hi, I do not normally comment on recipes, but i felt this one needed a complement/ comment.

I mixed it two weeks ago and just out of curiosity I wanted to taste it today. Man o man its so damn nice that i cannot put it down, as I am a massive fan of RY 4 type vapes (BTW mixed all yours and loved it, your :RY4 Creamy Tiramisu is simply awesome and is always in my rotation on a daily bases) and seldom do I deviate from that for the exception of one or two chocolate vapes, and now this.

I will tell you it is in a league of its own, 5 stars all the way. if there was an availability of 6 you would get that.
#47 by Silhouette , Aug 22. 2019, 00:56
Now that is probably the most awesome comment I possibly could have gotten. I'm so glad you enjoyed it. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
#48 by muth, May 29. 2022, 16:55
Silhouette, I just got the email alert about this recipe and was so psyched to see your name on it. I miss your presence here on ELR and your recipes which always got me interested in mixing more. Thank you for the share and update.

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