This is a very very close clone of Sugar Drizzle by Cuttwood. There are lots of other clones of it on here that are quite good vapes, but not even close to Sugar Drizzle. There is no sugar cookie in Sugar Drizzle (I promise) - or if there is it is barely anything. All the other clones are also missing the creams. Please try this and give me your honest feedback - I swear you won't be disappointed! I ran through about 5 versions of this to perfect it, and any more tinkering I do will be extremely minor, as this is VERY close to the original to my taste buds!
EDIT 11/12/15: Switched the percentages of Cinnamon Danish Swirl and Graham Cracker. Cinnamon is much more toned down now, and the juice is overall very close to the basic flavor of Sugar Drizzle. Initially, I thought the cream flavors would balance out the cinnamon, but I found I was wrong after buying some of the original to try them side by side. This is much better now.
Also, started making it 30 PG/70 VG, just for the record.
Thanks Dio! Waiting for some more feedback from people who know and love the original - I'm considering cutting the Bavarian Cream back 0.5% and adding 0.5% to the Cinnamon Danish Swirl. I'm starting to think it needs just a touch more cinnamon flavor. Let me know guys!
I'm a big fan of the sugar drizzle I have ordered all flavours (all cap) this seems to be like it would be the closest to it I will report back in 4 days and your right about the others being cinimon strong and no cream!
Man guys, I bought some real Sugar Drizzle yesterday to do some side by side, and it's not quite as close as I thought :( now that it's steeped a little bit, mine seems a bit heavy on cinnamon and cream. Still damn good, but I think I'll mix some up with more graham cracker, replacing some of the cinnamon AND Bavarian cream. I have heard elsewhere that 15% capella graham cracker is damn close to the basic flavor of Sugar Drizzle. Sorry for the bad news - will report back soon!!
There is TFA Vanilla Custard in Sugar Bear/Drizzle... I had a batch and got tired of it and it sat for a long long time and separated. I eye droppered the layers. Its not a lot, but its there. Trust me.
Also, Bavarian Cream CAP was not out or anywhere close to out when SugBear was made. I can tell you this, yes sometimes we get flavors as prototypes for feedback before they are released for sale, but we can not get it in massive quantities before it is released to distributors and or other juice companies. We may have a new juice tee'd up and ready to go, but not months and months in advance before a flavor is released as some people think.
Yeah I know that's a relatively new flavor for Capella. I guess "clone" isn't truly the best word for what I'm trying to accomplish. I know for a fact I'll never get it truly perfect, but I'm shooting for a damn close taste that I can enjoy, and convince myself in my head that it's about the same. I actually re-worked this recipe last night, and just switched the percentages for the Cinnamon Danish Swirl and Graham Cracker, and it's a lot better/closer to the original.
I've read elsewhere that if you just put 15% Graham Cracker and 1% EM in some base and shake it up, it's very close to the basic flavor of Sugar Drizzle.
I like what I've arrived at, and it's definitely the same BASIC taste now as Sugar Drizzle. Hey - either way it's lots better than spending $25-$40 a week on "craft" e-juice!
It's pretty good as a shake and vape too, actually. Just make like 60mL so you can taste it after one day, two, etc. Does change and smooth out a bit over a couple days.
kiwi129 Have a look at the recipe called sugar rush. This one you came up with has way too much cinnamon. I have the sugar rush recipe steeping now but it's only been a couple days. I ran out of sugar cookie so I out 5% TFA Cin Sugar Cookie
Kiwi129 All I can say is we will figure this out. I made up little something tonight and waiting to taste it. The colour looks right and no sugar cookie. Nice yellow and hopefully turns bright yellow like the original. The graham cracker at 6 % seems about right I've lowered the BC and added some other ingredients. Before I post I want to taste it cause I may be way off.
Thanks man I really appreciate the help. I'm vaping some of my recipe right now that I made a week ago and I guess the cinnamon is a little stronger than the original, but most of the other notes seem right to me. Either way, it's delicious and I really like it! I'm honestly starting to doubt how much cinnamon is in the original at all. I have some, and I can taste cinnamon, but it's a different cinnamon than the Danish Swirl. Maybe I'll try FW Cinnamon Roll??
I think most of the cinnamon is from the graham cracker and I do believe that cutwood uses Capella. Makes sense as there both from California. Might not be any CDS. I will update once I taste it. Letting it breath after a 4 second microwave blast. Cheers
As this and my other cream flavors steep, I also notice that they taste too creamy and it overshadows the other flavors... think the cream percentages are too high??
I do think the BC is high as I think the focus is on the graham cracker and then working on supplementing it. Again I may be way off. I did take a sniff of mine and smells very good. When I vaped your version I tasted a lot of cinnamon and BC. It was good but I just couldn't vape it all day. I think what were looking for is graham cracker dipped in milk or cream
Most DIYers way overflavor their juices because they shake n vape and are not patient. My guess on total flavoring for Sugar Bear is probably around 11-12%.. Especially since it is a "cinnamon bakery style"... Could even be lower.
EM stunts "flavor growth" during the steeping process. Instead of using EM try finding the flavor medium where flavorings feed off each other and round each other out. EM is the biggest "mistake" most DIYers make. I can taste a juice and tell you if it has EM in it or not. Most Natl B&M juices do not use it.
Well thanks a lot for all the tips man - much appreciated. And yes as a shake and vape this was pretty good, and now that it's steeped for a week it's crazy different. Much smoother and the texture is good, but flavors are all off. I underestimated steeping. I am going to cap off steep juices for 3 to 4 days from now on. I can actually see in the juice when it gets clear and the bubbles go away - that's when the flavor changes from the initial shake and vape.
This is what I did 6% Garaham 3%Vanilla Custard 1% Vanilla Bean Ive Cream 1% NY Cheesecake 1.5% sweet cream 1.5% cake batter 1% Bavarian Cream. Total 16.5%. Keep in mind I haven't tasted it yet but the smell test is sweet. I don't use EM as it mutes flavours in the long run and I find it make my mouth numb.
I am just trying to get you to think a little differently when going about creating juices. Like I said, I see people use EM way too much. EM is like a crutch for someone learning to walk. Its not needed once you have learned how to walk. I wish someone had been around 3-4 yrs ago to point me in the right direction towards mixing. That wasnt the case. Anyway... Good luck! I will goof around here is a few days and see if I cant make a mix and get you closer. Will post it when I do.
My advice would be this.. Make a juice similar to Unicorn Milk without strawberry (just the creams and custards, graham cracker, etc) I know you have tried to clone it (lol) and let it steep. Taste it and then add in whats missing to make Sugar Bear. Their base is very similar.
Hey guys just want to thank you for racking my brain today:)) all I was thinking of what ingredients can be in there. I do agree that it is a similar base to um with a few changes. Looking at my conventrates I came across vanilla cupcake. Can that be the doughy finish on the exhale. Will be making some tonight with that and see how it goes.
Its Cinnamon Danish TFA! Has to be.... Its very graham crackery and light on cinnamon. Add in some custard and some sweet cream. Guessing by its taste its mostly TFA flavors.
I just mixed up some CD TFA and a bit of tfa and cap custard and a hint of bavarian cream. Will tell you in a few days if I am right. Then If I must I will figure out which custard and which added cream is in there. And whatever else. I have not tried to clone anything in years. Lol.. Too busy with my juice business.
Lawnjesus Or shall I call you Jesus. That would b awesome! I've never tried that Flavour and before I would order would love to get your feedback. Thanks for pitching in
I just whipped up a tester to see if it was the right flavoring... Simple, not trying to clone it outright yet. I did ...
7.5% tfa Cindanish tfa
1.5% custard tfa
1.0% custard 1 cap
1% bav cream tfa (not sure thats in it)
1% marshmallow tfa
.5 stevia 10% (I use this over sucralose for eveything except drink style)
I didnt add any graham cracker.. Thought I would wait. Just trying to nail down main flavor. I figured they could have added it. Maybe even Cap Graham... Went simple to see if CD tfa was the right flavor.
It varies, lots of things determine that. Is it savory? Or Fruitty? Who makes the main flavors... Lots go into it! I have some at 6% total and you wouldnt have a clue. Another is 19% (odd for me) ... Just depends what I am using. I use every flavor company. Have basically every flavor from tfa, cap, fa, fw, lots from Ina, FLV, Ide, FE, hangsen, even some LA... Probably missed a few! Jungle Flavors, SC... I use them all!
I'm working with mainly cap, tfa, fw, and fa. What's your take on those? I literally have nothing to go off of so anything helps. I've been starting around 18%, which is great shake and vape, but terrible steeped. Should I shoot for 15%ish? That's what I'm leaning towards...
Take your recipes and decrease each ingredient by 25%... See where it stands! Whenever I finish a juice I always max it.. Take everything up 10% and another 10% and another.. Do the same going backwards. Helps ne to dial in correct 10% or find and eliminate that "one" note
Ever vaped a juice and after like an hour or so it feels like its losing flavor? Then you pick it back up a few hours later and flavor is back? And then it starts to fade again... Etc.. Thats what EM does!
What you need to do is stop trying to clone stuff. Find a flavor profile you like, say Sugar Drizzle? And create your own version of that flavor profile. You will become a lot better at miximg that way!
Fa is twice as strong as tfa/cap/ fw.. The other three are close to comparable in strength. But even then, some are way strokger than others. Try each flavor you buy at 5%/10%/15% and see where they dial in, get weird, are weak. Without doing that you are throwing darts in a hurricane
Yeah but say two are Ideal at 15% and you want to BLEND them... I'm obviously not gonna do 30% so what then?? Blends are what I need keyed in on mostly. Single flavors are easy, even for a Noob like me. I formulate epoxies and concrete sealers for a living... so I get the science of it. E juice is just different haha
What is the dominant flavors dial in point? Lets say it is 14%... Then you dont want to max your juice past that when adding flavors together. There is a starting point for you.
Obviously that not always correct. But it gives you a starting point. Also.. Lets say you want flavor A to be the dominant flavor. Then all the other flavors you use should not add up to total more than what you used it at. So 8% for main flavor- less than 8% total for all other flavors in the juice. Again, not always correct. But its a starting point to craft from.
Yeah that method you describe is how I've been doing it, but my target was set on 18%ish. I'm gonna shoot for 13-15% with cap, tfa, and fw, and remember to steep, and it should be much better. Thanks for all your help. What is this ultrasonic thing, name and model? How much do they cost?
Lol@cuttwooodspy.. You mean some guy who is trying to draw your attention by lying? Lmao... Come on man, you dont actually believe that internet imposter do you? He has nothing! He out out a recipe of flavorings that did not exist when that juice was made. How hard is that for people to understand? Would not even waste my time!
Hey lawnjesus is there a big difference in taste between the DX version and original of TFA CDS. I may have to buy the original from TFA as my supplier don't carry it
I dont know, honestly. I dont have it, never have. If you want to be closer to the original then get the original. The DX wasnt out when Sugar Bear made its debut.
Lawnjesus you've been incredibly helpful through this and I really appreciate it. Are you able to tell us what your juice business is? I'd gladly buy some stuff from you. Also, I would be very interested in an actual paid seminar on juice mixing if you ever did something like that. Just something to consider!
I have nothing to do with lawnjesus and please do not assume. I just want good recipes and really dont care where they come from!!!! I am a friken mailman who used to smoke almost 2 packs a day driving around all day. As the saying goes assuming makes an ass out of u and me!!! I also found it strange that he dod mention hos company name but again o just want great not good recipes!!!
A discussion in the wrong direction! I gave you the main ingredient in SB that NO ONE had figured out on this site (that I have seen) The mix I made up and shared above is closer to any SB clone on this site and I was just trying help the guy out. All I was trying to do was give him the flavor base and it IS TFA Cinnamon Danish and Custard.
99% of DIYers overflavor to get flavor because of impatience. When it steeps its all wrong. Just the facts. That is the biggest mistake everyone makes and why their "clones" are always lacking something. Less is better, steep time is better, in most cases... Enjoy your day!
Lawnjesus thank you again i have ordered the ingredients and will play around with it. Alot of people on tjis site anre so woriied about how and why we got there and whether were lying or not. I really dont care for the gossip and just want useful information which is what you have provided us. Thank you
There is probably some added graham cracker. Try both Cap and Tfa... My guess is Cap from the added "spicyness" but that doesnt mean that it isnt Tfa and its twisted with the other stuff in the juice. Again, think small amounts!! What you think the amount might be, cut in half, and for some of you cut in half again.
And if you want to thank me for anything. Join CASAA and any other groups who combat regulations. Keep informed on what is going on with State and Federal (FDA) regulations. This could all come crashing to end sooner than you might think. Regulations will destroy this industry, both B&M and DIY. Do what you can to help combat it!!!
Here is what I made. Its probably not anywhere close but it will give me a good determination what is exactly in it. I will then get you a lot closer! Who knows.... I took a stab at it!
3% CinDanish TFA
3% Cap Custard v1
.5% Cap Graham Cracker
2% Graham Cracker Clear TFA
1% Cap Sweet Cream
1% Bavarian Cream TFA
.25 Cap Butter
1 drop of Saline per 5ml
After an hour in sonic, its decent. Will take time for custard to really do its thing. If I was going to take what I made, I would personally add maybe .25% of both Cap CinnDanSwirl and TFA Maple.. But then it wouldnt be Sugar Bear! Probably better.. I will let it steep for you, though and tweak it more like you want.
Funny to see you use saline. I use saline in all my juices as it makes the flavours pop and keeps me from drying out so much due to heavy vaping. Its awesome and suprised more recipes here dont add it or mention it.
Hey. I was wondering if I can use something else in the place of Bavarian Cream? I've found all the other ingredients (Except Ethyl Maltol, but that isn't totally necessary, is it?) in one place, but in order to get Bavarian Cream I'd have to import it from another country.
I am not exactly sure whats all in it, just yet. After a weeks steep of my trial to just find the main part, I made 3 versions of what I thought it might be. We will see what happens after they steep. Something is telling me there is maple and or honey in it in very small amounts. Not quite sure... We wait! Lol
So far I got a version thats got the wet, mouthy feeling exactly like the real juice but a little strong on the cinnamon (base is identical) Might steep out as its still fresh'er, not fully steeped. And another juice that has the cinnamon dialed in perfect but its a bit drier. To be honest I think they will get me real close on the next "hybrid" (combined) version. I definitely think the custard and creams are Capella and the cinnamon and graham cracker comes elsewhere and its layered. The Cap CDS is too bright for it to be right even at small amounts. We shall see after it steeps fully. The TFA Cinnamon Danish dries out the mix a bit but tastes right. I am gonna flip flop a few things from those 2 mixes and see what happens.
The 3rd version was me goofing off just so I could eliminate a few flavorings from my thoughts. It tastes like a warm buttered cinnamon graham cracker dipped in vanilla icing.
I'd like to try this out, but I can't find Bavarian Cream. Any suggestions for what I might use in its place to get something similar? Also, I'm going to be buying a single 30/70 PG/VG liquid mix with nicotine already mixed in. I'm guessing that I just need to combine the 3 different ml values of Nicotine, PG and VG of this recipe into a single ml unit?
Dude, read up! I dont have the time nor the patience to explain mixing for newbies when there is countless forums and pages archived free for you to read up and get a grasp on how to start, what you need, etc etc etc... Google your questions! I am not being mean, I am actually saving you countless headaches and wasted money by telling you to learn. Search forums! Search Google! Its all out there and free for your learning pleasure. When I started mixing there wasnt anything. It was all trial and error. I wish I had the info available to me that is out there for everyone now, thanks to a lot of sharing from DIYers
I didnt see him asking you directly? Bit harsh i think, any how head over to POTV and have a look on their forums there is a whole stack of info and unlike some people on here you will always get nice friendly answers no matter how noobish the question
Jac_solar get yourself a recipe calculator and you can use weight, drops,mls. It does all the math for you. As far as bavarian cream just hold off abd see what Lawnjesus can come up with before you go nuts.
He has since posted his own revision under his own recipe with butter and maple syrup added. I'm dying to try the sugar rush but of course my vape mail either got stolen or got stolen. I do think lawnjesus revised recipe under his name will be tasty it seems like sugar rush is gonna be a lot closer.
This is it! Here is the actual recipe for Sugar Drizzle!
Cap CDS 1.2%
Cap Graham Cracker 4%
Cap Custard (original) 2%
Cap Sugar Cookie 2%
Cap French Vanilla .25%
Cap Sweet Cream 1%
Cap Marshmallow .5%
Cap Butter .3%
Cap Pancake Syrup .25%
Kiwi and Just Mixing I hope you have learned some valuable lessons about the process of cloning. Now maybe you can clone some juices on your own. Can't wait to hear how much you enjoy this.
Finally tried this after 15 days steep (I haven't tried it earlier nor as a "shake & vape"). Like the past comments have already stated, it def is too creamy and milky. It could be tasty; but I can tell all the other flavors are hidden and muted behind the Bav Cream. It has tons of mouth feel, too much I think, perhaps also because of the high BC %. No offense, but it's kinda hard to vape this because it's too creamy and milky. I will def try Just Mixing's recipe.
I made this with ΤPA because thats what i had in hand for the specific flavours. I dont know how the real thing is but this is one delicious vape. Even my boyfriend liked it who hates cinammon. I found out that i like it way more after 20-25 days of steeping. It brings out the cinammon roll more in a great way.
Been vaping this for a long time now thanks to Kiwi. Its as close as you can get to the real thing. I even use recycled clear bottles of CSD to store it in. Definitely have to steep for a month for best results. Well done to Kiwi for sticking with it and for saving me $100's in buying the real stuff which is silly prices right now
OK, this is very, very tasty.
I'm about 4 months into making my own. Homemade juice is just as good or in a few cases, better than the originals.
This recipe right here is in my top five. Delicious!
This stuff is good I think I did the exact same way you posted it got quite a bit of stuff finally I'm going to try it with a some different ingredients
Just wanted to say that the recipe posted by @Lawnjesus or @fakelawnjesus is totally unacceptable, don't even bother. I do not know how you came up with that recipe but even after 30 days steep time this is nothing close to Sugar drizzle. I have not made kiwi's recipe so my comment only regards this
This is it! Here is the actual recipe for Sugar Drizzle!
Cap CDS 1.2%
Cap Graham Cracker 4%
Cap Custard (original) 2%
Cap Sugar Cookie 2%
Cap French Vanilla .25%
Cap Sweet Cream 1%
Cap Marshmallow .5%
Cap Butter .3%
Cap Pancake Syrup .25%
I’ve just got to chime in on this one. This thread taught me a lot back in the day. Thanks kiwi for getting the ball rolling and lawnjesus for Sharing your knowledge. I love this one with .5% of loran cream cheese icing. It gives it that sugar lips profile synonymous with a hot Cinnabon cinnamon roll.
Oh no! Did you make the one at the top or the right one by fakeLawnJesus in the thread? Justmixing posted it. Just click on his name and you should see it. It totally taste like a Cinnabon to me. I also add about .5% LA cream cheese icing. Maybe you can tweak it and salvage that juice?